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Showing & Judging => Events => Topic started by: Brant on September 08, 2011, 12:06:11 PM
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I have posted a few pictures on our Blog from the MCA Grand National Show. I wish that I would have taken more, but it was a busy weekend.
Blog is here:
http://blog.virginiaclassicmustang.com/
Specific posts are here:
http://blog.virginiaclassicmustang.com/2011/09/mca-grand-national-show-2011_08.html
http://blog.virginiaclassicmustang.com/2011/09/mca-grand-national-show-2011.html
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Brant, Thanks for posting these!
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great shots there brant!! we are still working ours up to post.....stay tuned to these pixels.
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Brant, I guess here is just as good of a place as any to ask if I may why your restorer chose to paint/color your hood hinges, springs and secondary catch loop black? Please understand I for one are NOT picking on your beutiful car (it puts mine to shame) just curious.
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i also judged brant's car at waldorf. i assure you the finishes were spot on for the time period of production. pictures can often distort colors to make them appear as what they are not.
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Brant, I guess here is just as good of a place as any to ask if I may why your restorer chose to paint/color your hood hinges, springs and secondary catch loop black? Please understand I for one are NOT picking on your beutiful car (it puts mine to shame) just curious.
Rick,
Hood Hinges and springs on the earlier production cars were painted black. My car is Aug. '64 production.
The hood catch is dark phosphate (may have sort of looked black, but it's not.)
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Brant, Thanks for clairifying. YOUR car should now be the focus on your next catalog!! to be used as an example when folks are looking for info on parts, finishes and techniques for a very proper restoration!
I think the stamp on your rear window came out very nice, I think I will get mine done now!
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This car was very over restored I would have taken 3 points off for no orange peel, some chips in paint near driver side quarter extension no engine tag, bottom of doors were painted wrong, rear window installed wrong, no drips underneath, buff undercarriage, seam sealer wrong at lower quarters, no drips in trunk, wrong stamps incorrect font for final assembly ok, engine compartment stress in steel not pressent missing ie over restored. Back up light harness screw missing in engine compartment hole was their but no screw this screw protrudes out from underneath the firewall pad. Phosephate was way to dark if infact it was phos. What do we have a judging rule book for is this the new standard for judging I counted 15 points easy on this car and that's looking at for 5 minutes. And plus it should have been disqualified which is in the rule book if you leave early why have rules this should be made example of for leaving early.
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This car was very over restored I would have taken 3 points off for no orange peel, some chips in paint near driver side quarter extension no engine tag, bottom of doors were painted wrong, rear window installed wrong, no drips underneath, buff undercarriage, seam sealer wrong at lower quarters, no drips in trunk, wrong stamps incorrect font for final assembly ok, engine compartment stress in steel not pressent missing ie over restored. Back up light harness screw missing in engine compartment hole was their but no screw this screw protrudes out from underneath the firewall pad. Phosephate was way to dark if infact it was phos. What do we have a judging rule book for is this the new standard for judging I counted 15 points easy on this car and that's looking at for 5 minutes. And plus it should have been disqualified which is in the rule book if you leave early why have rules this should be made example of for leaving early.
Is this really necessary? Ok, you obviously don't like how the car was restored, but did you even think that maybe it was restored that way intentionally? Knowing Brant, he would have been fine with however the judging ended up. He can't help that the judging team might have overlooked some items, even if they are obvious.
From what I understand, the national head judge approved the early departure, so the car would not be disqualified.
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Is this really necessary? Ok, you obviously don't like how the car was restored, but did you even think that maybe it was restored that way intentionally? Knowing Brant, he would have been fine with however the judging ended up. He can't help that the judging team might have overlooked some items, even if they are obvious.
From what I understand, the national head judge approved the early departure, so the car would not be disqualified.
I agree with Charles we should not pick apart others cars here or on other forums. Even if the deductions are correct. They may choose to leave their car at home rather than face the barage of post show criticism. Marty
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The pioneers are always shot!
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I agree with Charles we should not pick apart others cars here or on other forums. Even if the deductions are correct. They may choose to leave their car at home rather than face the barage of post show criticism. Marty
I don't mind giving and taking constructive feedback on any car I have done, but it can be done in such a way that is not confrontational or demeaning. My golden rule in this regards has been to keep my mouth shut unless someone asks for my opinion.
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I don't mind giving and taking constructive feedback on any car I have done, but it can be done in such a way that is not confrontational or demeaning. My golden rule in this regards has been to keep my mouth shut unless someone asks for my opinion.
If you want to share in a friendly way, information on the way something you think was done wrong on a car it is very important that you share it in a non confrontational , non demeaning ,sensitive way to get across your honorable intent. Asumming you want to be taken as honorable ;) Bob
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Is this really necessary? Ok, you obviously don't like how the car was restored, but did you even think that maybe it was restored that way intentionally? Knowing Brant, he would have been fine with however the judging ended up. He can't help that the judging team might have overlooked some items, even if they are obvious.
From what I understand, the national head judge approved the early departure, so the car would not be disqualified.
I think the tone was a little harsh, but I for one would like to know what judges (the ones that actually judged the car, and other judges that have seen it) thought of that car. Mainly because Brant was nice enough to include so much information on the restoration.
Brant said they did the research on the under carriage finish, etc. Some discussion of whether they got it right, may be warranted.
After looking at those pictures on the web, quite a few cars may show up at shows finished like that one...
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This car was very over restored I would have taken 3 points off for no orange peel, ......disqualified which is in the rule book if you leave early why have rules this should be made example of for leaving early.
Nate,
I addressed this in the other thread that you posted. ...just can't leave it alone, can you?
We have a small, tight community of folks that appreciate the fine details on the cars, and I enjoy being part of it on the hobby side, meaning it isn't only a business for me. I really do enjoy the cars. Your best bet is to join us, rather than burn bridges. And as someone mentioned, attacking anyone's car, regardless if it is the highest scoring or the lowest scoring, on a public forum is just plain rude.
Others have spoken before I saw this, and I'm taking the "high road." As many of you know, Jeremy and I did a lot of research it determining correct finishes, details, etc. I would/will not change hardly anything. And yes, Charles is correct, we chose to restore it in the manner that it is restored. Nothing was really a "mistake" if you will. In fact, I'm starting another restoration that will be done in a similar way and will continue to learn every day, even after being involved with this great hobby for over 30 years.
Again, for you first time readers, I cleared my early departure with the Head Judge and several primary members of the NCRMC. I suggest if this is as big of a problem as it seems it is with you that you contact the Head Judge and make sure that this is not ever allowed again.
I won't comment on this anymore. Let it die. If anyone has any constructive questions about the restoration, I'll be glad to answer them. This is supposed to be fun and will continue being fun for me.
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Beautiful car, Nice resto.. Just wondered about two things...Since the car was a 64 1/2.. Would'nt the car have color keyed door knobs? ..and what about the Shifter bezel? Should'nt it be the bigger, Die-cast unit?
Could not see anything else wrong.. Nice job!
Tony K.
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BRANT.
and all other forum users.
I was one of the judges who did actually judge this car at the grand national in Maryland. Full praise to the owner, car was fantastic hence the gold award in concours class.
i dont appreciate the negative tone of one of the members of this forum. he seems to want to make enemys not friends within the mustang community and the judging panel. i dont travel to the other side of the world to make enemies within the mustang community, but there is a constant theme that is occuring. it needs to end and end now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
some of us may never own a K code convertible or a pre-production 64 1/2, we may just be people who want to be part of a greater hobby and a ever growing appreciation of these cars.
The car is question was judged to the best standards of the team on the day. Yes it may not be my favourite colour, year an body shape, but these ideas of the perfect car need to be put aside and the car was judge on merrit.
There where things i questioned with my team leader, the present NHJ and the former NHJ, just for clarification on my own behalf.
Remember i'm still learning as well!!!!!
Each car has individual history and created at a assembly plant that varies from the next plant and the procedding day of production
A privledge to judge the car.
End of conversation.
regards.
PHILL BERESFORD.
MELBOURNE.
AUSTRALIA.
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Man, I thought the Shelby peanut gallery was hard. I'm staying away from the 64-66 crowd. Seriously I agree with others comments. Why is it so important for some to tear apart another's car? It is bitterness and probably envy and there is no place for it in any aspect of life, hobby or not. I don't even know Brant or his car or Nate and as an unbiased bystander I tell you it is pretty obvious the comments made are totally inappropriate and mean spirited.
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Beautiful car, Nice resto.. Just wondered about two things...Since the car was a 64 1/2.. Would'nt the car have color keyed door knobs? ..and what about the Shifter bezel? Should'nt it be the bigger, Die-cast unit?
Could not see anything else wrong.. Nice job!
Tony K.
Hi Tony,
Thanks for the comments. Well, I guess the term "64 1/2" was created by the hobby and is generally recognized as a car with a generator. My car is an Aug. 10th production (on data plate, at least) and has an alternator, so it is not really a 64 1/2.
Anyway, I would have to look at my notes and stuff, but I believe that you see those larger color keyed door lock knobs disappearing sometime in June. I think the parts book lists 6/5. Maybe others with cars built around that time can comment.
The larger shifter bezel was used earlier too, but I'm really not certain when they stopped using those.
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Brant - many thanks for the pictures and for sharing such a fine restoration of a very cool Kar.
-Scott