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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1969 Mustang => Topic started by: Brian Conway on May 02, 2014, 11:23:16 PM
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Does a early 69, 428 Mach 1, 9T02R, get an emissions decal in the engine compartment ? If so; should it be the C8OE-9C485-C version and where is it applied ? Thanks, Brian
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My Nov. 68 car has the original on the drivers side valve cover just below the plug wire loom.
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I'm not home now but thinking about it, the decal on the valve cover has the ignition info. If that's the wrong sticker then the other one is on the firewall more towards the passenger side.
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So a chrome valve cover car ..
The emission/timing striker goes on the drivers side valve cover as mentioned above. It was applied at the engine plant so where the car was built doesn't come into play in answering this question. But thanks for including it anyway ;) Same location fro a 390 also
Only the service decal goes on the drivers side shock tower
You didn't include when your car was built and it appears there are a few different trends (with the service decal) depending on the time period )
Of course many owners have copied other cars from other plants and builds - see them all the time on the internet and at shows :(
Couple of pictures to help illustrate
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/2/6-030514023054.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/2/6-030514023134.jpeg)
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quote jimhib
I'm not home now but thinking about it, the decal on the valve cover has the ignition info. If that's the wrong sticker then the other one is on the firewall more towards the passenger side.
Thank you Jim. The valve cover decal is the one I would like to know the part number from. Yes: That decal has the rpm idle settings. What info does your decal have; decal number and rpm settings ? Brian
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[quote J_Speegle
So a chrome valve cover car ..
The emission/timing striker goes on the drivers side valve cover as mentioned above. It was applied at the engine plant so where the car was built doesn't come into play in answering this question. But thanks for including it anyway ;) Same location fro a 390 also
Only the service decal goes on the drivers side shock tower
You didn't include when your car was built and it appears there are a few different trends (with the service decal) depending on the time period )
Of course many owners have copied other cars from other plants and builds - see them all the time on the internet and at shows :(
Yes; OE chrome valve covers. Would the valve covers also have a date stamp ?
Service decal was not part of my question but is vertical on the left shock tower.
The build date for my car is located in my signature.
The oil filler cap in the pictures has a plastic elbow. Is that OE correct or should it be the metal elbow ? Thanks, Brian
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Brian:
The original valve covers for my car have a date stamp just behind the filler cap on the drivers side. Not deep but visible. Mine also has no decal on the drivers side shock tower as I've seen on some cars. My build date was Nov 18, 1968. Also I'm the original owner.
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Yes; OE chrome valve covers. Would the valve covers also have a date stamp ?
As mentioned above yes like most stamped steel parts. The plating like paint can make some a little difficult to read but on others its pretty easy.
The oil filler cap in the pictures has a plastic elbow. Is that OE correct or should it be the metal elbow ? Thanks, Brian
The metal verses plastic elbow has been something tossed back and forth over the years. Looking at my collection of pictures the very early cars like your all have the metal elbow on them (9T102221, 9T102871, 9T119655)
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There are two versions of this emission sticker for '69, early and late. I don't recall the changeover date and am not home to look it up but my guess would be your car should have the early one. I think the suffix letter changes at some point (as do the specs); for example, from -A to -B or -B to -C (don't recall which).
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quote jimhib
Brian:
The original valve covers for my car have a date stamp just behind the filler cap on the drivers side. Not deep but visible. Mine also has no decal on the drivers side shock tower as I've seen on some cars. My build date was Nov 18, 1968. Also I'm the original owner.
Thanks Jim. The Marti/built date for my car is Sept. 19, 1968 . A month earlier than yours and from the same plant. Because you are the original owner and If you don't mind sharing;
1. What is the date stamped on your chrome valve covers.
2. Do you have a chrome oil filler cap ?
3. Does the oil filler cap, if chrome, have a plastic or metal elbow?
Rockhouse is correct about the different emissions stickers. The early sticker C8OE-9C485-C shows idle settings; 650 for autos and 700 for manuals.
The later sticker C9OE-9C485-D shows idle settings; 550 for autos and 700 for manuals
Thanks for all the Help. Brian
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Brian:
I'm in Anchorage for the next few weeks but I'll have Mike look at my covers and let you know, possibly post a flick. My filler cap is Chrome, the elbow plastic, both came with the car.
Jim
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Brian:
I'm in Anchorage for the next few weeks but I'll have Mike look at my covers and let you know, possibly post a flick. My filler cap is Chrome, the elbow plastic, both came with the car.
Jim
Here are some photos of Jim's valve covers. I'll post a few more as soon as these load
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More photos... If you need any more, let me know.
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author=jimhib
Brian:
I'm in Anchorage for the next few weeks but I'll have Mike look at my covers and let you know, possibly post a flick. My filler cap is Chrome, the elbow plastic, both came with the car.
Jim
Thanks Jim. Looks like; Nov. 1968 chrome and plastic. Valve covers dated 10 3 D3 and ? 12 D2. Emissions decal; 650 rpm for autos and 700 rpm for manuals and most likely the C8OE-9C485-C emissions decal. Thank you Mike for the photos. Brian
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More photos... If you need any more, let me know.
Thanks for posting - do you happen to know the real build date of the car and or when the engine was assembled. That might help narrow down the plastic verses metal application. ;)
That's an odd place (looking at all the other examples) for the service decal to be placed on a NJ car - thanks for sharing
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Jeff:
The build date for the car was Nov. 18, 1968 and the engine the 26th of October if I remember right.
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author=jimhib
Brian:
I'm in Anchorage for the next few weeks but I'll have Mike look at my covers and let you know, possibly post a flick. My filler cap is Chrome, the elbow plastic, both came with the car.
Jim
Thanks Jim. Looks like; Nov. 1968 chrome and plastic. Valve covers dated 10 3 D3 and ? 12 D2. Emissions decal; 650 rpm for autos and 700 rpm for manuals and most likely the C8OE-9C485-C emissions decal. Thank you Mike for the photos. Brian
Brian,
I'm not at the garage but I believe the number on the second valve cover was a 9... 9 12 D2. I can check next time I'm there if you need it.
Mike
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Jeff:
The build date for the car was Nov. 18, 1968 and the engine the 26th of October if I remember right.
Thanks - Was hopping to get the build date and info from Mike (mjgraniero) also to go with the pictures ;)
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Thanks - Was hopping to get the build date and info from Mike (mjgraniero) also to go with the pictures ;)
Jeff- The car and all the pictures I posted are of Jim's mustang. He's the original owner. I have access to his garage and was able to take the photos for him. If anyone would know the build dates it's him.
Mike
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Jeff:
If it would help, I could PM a copy of the marti report to you.
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Now I understand :)
No need for the Marti =- but thanks for the offer
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author=mjgraniero I'm not at the garage but I believe the number on the second valve cover was a 9... 9 12 D2. I can check next time I'm there if you need it.
Mike
Yes, would you please ? Brian
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Here you go Brian. The stamping isn't very deep but the first number is clearly a 9.
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Thanks for the follow through Mike. That 9 12 date puts the chrome valve cover at 6 weeks before the assembly date. Pretty large window if your looking for date correct valve covers for an early Metuchen car. Very interesting about the service decal location as Jeff noted. I can't recall seeing one there before. Thanks again for all the effort. Brian
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.......... Very interesting about the service decal location as Jeff noted. I can't recall seeing one there before. Thanks again for all the effort. Brian
Its were we normally see them on Boss 9's.
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I know we don't see many cars with the decal in that location but I do remember when I picked my car up the dealer had four on the lot and the sticker was in the same place on all four. Also I rarely see them in that location anymore along with date stamps.
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My car is an early car and yes there seems to be a little skepticism about a few of its OE features. I am not the original owner but am fortunate to have the build sheet and it helps to fill in some of the blanks or questions I might have. I figured the early chrome covers came with dates, but know way to verify that, and thanks for sharing. My Metuchen car's block was cast 8/17/68 and assembled 8/27/68. The car was ordered 9/4/68, built 9/19/68 and sold 9/27/68. So it seems they had a pretty fast turn around. I do have other questions concerning OE early Metuchen 69's and am glad you decided to jump in and share some of that info about the decal and valve covers. Thanks again; Jim and Mike. Brian
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Brian: My car is not an SCJ, just a CJ, was not aware of the option when ordering long distance. I was in the Marines at the time and literally bought the car based on pictures and wanting a new car when I got home. On the other hand, every harness in the car is original and never been removed.
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I did some editing of my last post. My car is in remarkable mostly original condition and nice to know there is another one out there to compare notes with. Brian
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Anytime, and feel free to call or ask for flicks. When I'm on the road there is a real good chance Mike can go to the house and get any info as well. His car is actually in my garage getting ready for a motor & Tranny install. When I bought the car I never thought I'd still have it after all this time.
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My car is an early car and yes there seems to be a little skepticism about a few of its OE features. I am not the original owner but am fortunate to have the build sheet and it helps to fill in some of the blanks or questions I might have. I figured the early chrome covers came with dates, but know way to verify that, and thanks for sharing. My Metuchen car's block was cast 8/17/68 and assembled 8/27/68. The car was ordered 9/4/68, built 9/19/68 and sold 9/27/68. So it seems they had a pretty fast turn around. I do have other questions concerning OE early Metuchen 69's and am glad you decided to jump in and share some of that info about the decal and valve covers. Thanks again; Jim and Mike. Brian
If you're interested in coming to NY where it's cold and rainy, you can return the favor by helping me get my car assembled and roadworthy!!!
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So a Boss ? I do enjoy wrenching on the cars but not my cup of tea. I know Jeff has one, this site and the Boss site are going to save you a ton of grief. Been to NY a few times and up state in mid September was the best. Thanks again, Brian
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So a Boss ? I do enjoy wrenching on the cars but not my cup of tea. I know Jeff has one, this site and the Boss site are going to save you a ton of grief. Been to NY a few times and up state in mid September was the best. Thanks again, Brian
Not a Boss. The previous owner went with that paint scheme when he started his resto. My car 'should' be a replica of yours. Candyapple Red with blackout hood and black/gold stripe kit, lovers and front/rear spoiler. I'll get it there down the road. My intent is to get the car on the road and enjoy her a for few years, then go back to the original color scheme when I have it painted.
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Looking through more NJ 69 pictures I did find one other car with the service decal up on the cowl - but much later in the production year. Must have been a fill in guy that didn't work that station very often - in fat rarely based on these findings so far. That car - 9T02Q132390
Guess if this subject continues we'll need to split or start a new thread ;)
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Jeff: As the picture Mike posted shows, the decal is on the firewall just below the pinchweld, must have been a job for new hires or something to that effect.
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Jeff: As the picture Mike posted shows, the decal is on the firewall just below the pinchweld,.........
Looks like above the cowl to firewall pinch weld but below the cowl cover/hood weather strip ;)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/2/6-070514173623.jpeg)
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You're right Jeff, I've got to spend more time at home with the toys, I had to look back at the picture of my own car, dang!!
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Got the Emissions decal from Tom at ECS and it looks about perfect. Looks the same as jimhib's and and Jeff's examples with the 650 rpm auto trans idle setting. As Rockhouse noted an early decal with the C8OE-9C485-C part number and the later decal suffix would be a D. Thanks for the help. Brian
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Using the info and examples posted in this discussion I have, what I think, is a very close representation of the original set. Thank you for the suggestions and pictures. Brian