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Re: 1967 GTA 390 Oil Fill Cap
« Reply #30 on: July 03, 2015, 03:28:36 PM »
............I looked closer and saw that there was no trademark on the cap which leads me to believe that it is some kind of aftermarket cap.Ford caps typically had trademark on them.

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Re: 1967 GTA 390 Oil Fill Cap
« Reply #31 on: July 03, 2015, 05:59:17 PM »
Per the '75 MPC, change L8 switched the LH valve cover. Did this impact the breather cap?

Added legend from bottom of page.
« Last Edit: July 03, 2015, 10:51:47 PM by WT8095 »
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Re: 1967 GTA 390 Oil Fill Cap
« Reply #32 on: July 03, 2015, 06:27:10 PM »
Per the '75 MPC, change L8 switched the LH valve cover. Did this impact the breather cap?

Interesting section. MPC of the period have separate lists for the open emission and closed emission valve covers and breathers. maybe while attempting to reduce the number of parts Ford wanted to carry seven years later they compiled a bunch together.

At the bottom of the page is there a legend to the symbols ?

Will see what I can find listed on that change.
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Re: 1967 GTA 390 Oil Fill Cap
« Reply #33 on: July 03, 2015, 10:54:18 PM »
At the bottom of the page is there a legend to the symbols ?

Added legend to my previous post (to keep them together).
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Re: 1967 GTA 390 Oil Fill Cap
« Reply #34 on: July 03, 2015, 11:08:32 PM »
Ran across a couple of old threads with some possible relevant discussion to "odd" valve covers on a '67:

http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=5000.15

http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=5000.0
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Re: 1967 GTA 390 Oil Fill Cap
« Reply #35 on: July 08, 2015, 04:20:25 PM »
Was there any agreement as to witch cap is correct ?
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Re: 1967 GTA 390 Oil Fill Cap
« Reply #36 on: July 08, 2015, 05:00:49 PM »
Was there any agreement as to witch cap is correct ?

I believe from personal observation and some photo documentation the chrome straight nipple style was the consensus :)
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Re: 1967 GTA 390 Oil Fill Cap
« Reply #37 on: July 08, 2015, 11:56:41 PM »
Somehow missed posting this with the other MPC clippings. Also from the '75 MPC. Plus a photo of an NOS C5ZZ-D.

(The # symbol is listed as "Identification Marking" in the MPC)
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Re: 1967 GTA 390 Oil Fill Cap
« Reply #38 on: July 09, 2015, 12:59:42 AM »
Somehow missed posting this with the other MPC clippings. Also from the '75 MPC. Plus a photo of an NOS C5ZZ-D.

(The # symbol is listed as "Identification Marking" in the MPC)
Can someone decipher the application meaning of the mpc listing ? The picture is of later 70"s version of the cap or the last style before it went obsolete. It is not relevant to a 60's engine regardless of application because of it's different markings /look .







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Re: 1967 GTA 390 Oil Fill Cap
« Reply #39 on: July 09, 2015, 09:15:06 AM »
Can someone decipher the application meaning of the mpc listing ? The picture is of later 70"s version of the cap or the last style before it went obsolete. It is not relevant to a 60's engine regardless of application because of it's different markings /look .

"65/67 66/69 B-GT, F(4/B)" - "B" is Fairlane, "GT" is the 390GT motor. "F" is Mustang, "(4/B)" is 4-barrel carb. Usually the MPC will specifically list "GT" for the 390GT, but sometimes it seems to get included under the 4/B description. Also, as we all know, this type of cap was not used for 68-69 Mustang, so gotta take the entries with a grain of salt.

"68/69 A, B, F(2/B, 4/B)" "A" is full-size, "B" & "F" as described above. Looks to me like they got a bit lazy on this entry, threw everything in one line, and used "AR" (as required) to let the parts guy sort it out. I don't have an earlier copy of the MPC, perhaps the entries were more detailed?

The photo is relevant to show the configuration of the cap with the straight side spout. Yes it's a replacement part but since the caps are not marked with part numbers, but lacking engineering drawings it was the best way I could find to link the C5ZZ-D part number to a specific cap. That assumes the cap came in that box, of course. I didn't want use a photo of repro parts with that number, because that makes even more assumptions. For example, the Scott Drake C5ZZ-D repro appears to replicate the cap we're talking about, but the application sticker on the package indicates "65/66".
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Re: 1967 GTA 390 Oil Fill Cap
« Reply #40 on: July 09, 2015, 03:07:10 PM »
... the Scott Drake C5ZZ-D repro appears to replicate the cap we're talking about, but the application sticker on the package indicates "65/66".

That is exactly what I recall seing on the 65-67's with CLOSED emmissions, usually Thermactor equipped on 67's. It has the FoMoCo logo.  I've seen them most of the time as BLACK on non-Mustang applications (only chrome one time, not sure what it was on now...Probably my brothers 67 Fairlane 390 GTA)
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Re: 1967 GTA 390 Oil Fill Cap
« Reply #41 on: July 09, 2015, 08:39:29 PM »
That is exactly what I recall seeing on the 65-67's with CLOSED emissions, usually Thermactor equipped on 67's.........

Agreed - and what was said way back at the beginning ;)

Just with the earlier markings. An MPC printed almost 10 years after has allot of credibility but its nice it match3s as far as style 
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Re: 1967 GTA 390 Oil Fill Cap
« Reply #42 on: July 10, 2015, 12:45:14 AM »
"65/67 66/69 B-GT, F(4/B)" - "B" is Fairlane, "GT" is the 390GT motor. "F" is Mustang, "(4/B)" is 4-barrel carb. Usually the MPC will specifically list "GT" for the 390GT, but sometimes it seems to get included under the 4/B description. Also, as we all know, this type of cap was not used for 68-69 Mustang, so gotta take the entries with a grain of salt.

"68/69 A, B, F(2/B, 4/B)" "A" is full-size, "B" & "F" as described above. Looks to me like they got a bit lazy on this entry, threw everything in one line, and used "AR" (as required) to let the parts guy sort it out. I don't have an earlier copy of the MPC, perhaps the entries were more detailed?

The photo is relevant to show the configuration of the cap with the straight side spout. Yes it's a replacement part but since the caps are not marked with part numbers, but lacking engineering drawings it was the best way I could find to link the C5ZZ-D part number to a specific cap. That assumes the cap came in that box, of course. I didn't want use a photo of repro parts with that number, because that makes even more assumptions. For example, the Scott Drake C5ZZ-D repro appears to replicate the cap we're talking about, but the application sticker on the package indicates "65/66".
Thanks for the help on the MPC application decipher. The cap picture has the rivit button on the top which is a common replacement that I hate to see used on a restoration when a superior repro is available like the Drake one. FYI the trademark in script in the oval is correct for early 67 and the FOMOCO in a rectangle didn't start being used until later 67. 
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Re: 1967 GTA 390 Oil Fill Cap
« Reply #43 on: July 10, 2015, 05:16:33 PM »
I asked about a consensus because of the pics Jeff posted on page two, first car 7R121xxx looks more like my repro part as does the one shown on the thunderbird, flat on top without the angled portion around the periphery, understanding it may be not relevant, the ones pictured on the restored look like the Scott Drake part. would it be safe to say the Scott Drake part may be the best replacement I may be able to find ? Thanks Paul.
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Re: 1967 GTA 390 Oil Fill Cap
« Reply #44 on: July 10, 2015, 06:44:34 PM »
I asked about a consensus because of the pics Jeff posted on page two, first car 7R121xxx looks more like my repro part as does the one shown on the thunderbird, flat on top without the angled portion around the periphery, understanding it may be not relevant, the ones pictured on the restored look like the Scott Drake part. would it be safe to say the Scott Drake part may be the best replacement I may be able to find ? Thanks Paul.
The flat top I s a twist on . One with flat top and nipple never made apparently which is reason for adapter it seems.
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