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3rd Generation 1979 - 1993 => 1979 - 1993 => Topic started by: drummingrocks on January 06, 2015, 03:23:55 PM
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I was looking at replacement convertible tops for my '90 7-up earlier today, and I noticed a reproduction convertible headliner. The NPD catalog states that these headliners were included in '92 on Summer/Limited Edition cars, and were standard equipment for all convertibles in '93. Is that timeline accurate? Also, I was guessing that Ford made the addition due to noise levels, and I was wondering if anyone could comment on whether or not the headliner does help with wind and highway noise.
That being said, I've always told my wife that she wouldn't believe the difference between the '94 convertible I used to have and a Fox convertible. The '94 was like a completely different car; you could've literally fooled most people into thinking it was a hardtop from the noise level inside. I love my 7-up, and the interior noise really doesn't bother me unless it's a very windy day and I have to drive at highway speeds for extended periods. I just can't believe the difference between a Fox convertible and an SN95, and I thought maybe Ford started installing the headliner on late Fox convertibles to deal with the excessive noise.
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One factor might be the fact that the Fox convertibles, up to and including 93, were built as coupes. The tops were then cut off and convertible tops installed. In 94, the cars were built as convertibles from the factory. IMHO, this would have made the tops better and possibly quieter as well.
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One factor might be the fact that the Fox convertibles, up to and including 93, were built as coupes. The tops were then cut off and convertible tops installed. In 94, the cars were built as convertibles from the factory. IMHO, this would have made the tops better and possibly quieter as well.
Steve, that's interesting, I didn't know that. It makes a lot more sense as to why the '94 was quieter.
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I've never heard that about convertibles being made as coupes. Seems counter-productive to assemble a chassis at the assembly plant and then remove a huge chunk. Is there any supporting documentation to prove this? Just curious.
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i always thought that the convertible conversion was done by an outside contractor. maybe that is where the confusion lies.
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i always thought that the convertible conversion was done by an outside contractor. maybe that is where the confusion lies.
Not sure, just remember that the '83 model was done by an outside vendor. Converted to convertibles after completely built as coupes in that case.
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Convertibles have come a long way since the 70s and 80s. I believe you will find photos of 83-93 Mustang cars leaving the factory with a temporary fiberglass top and going off to be converted. Building them as coupes is as close as the factory could do it.
A few people have installed the headliner in the earlier cars and they made it sound fairly easy. I just wonder how effective it is.
I also just read there are new convertible top materials out now which have made it to the makers of replacement tops for older cars. Unless you are installing a NOS top, most of the tops are made by 1-2 companies. These new sound deadening fabrics were likely developed for newer cars. Now we get to benifit as well. I am sure there is a price increase for it as well. I believe you have to ask for the new stuff.
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i always thought that the convertible conversion was done by an outside contractor. maybe that is where the confusion lies.
Cars & Concepts of Brighton, MI did the conversions. I have a July 1990 issue of Mustang Monthly featuring this process.
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Cars & Concepts of Brighton, MI did the conversions. I have a July 1990 issue of Mustang Monthly featuring this process.
Was that just the '83 model?
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The 83 was done by the American Sunroof Corporation, same company that did the 67 Cougar sunroofs.
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Convertibles have come a long way since the 70s and 80s. I believe you will find photos of 83-93 Mustang cars leaving the factory with a temporary fiberglass top and going off to be converted. Building them as coupes is as close as the factory could do it.
A few people have installed the headliner in the earlier cars and they made it sound fairly easy. I just wonder how effective it is.
I also just read there are new convertible top materials out now which have made it to the makers of replacement tops for older cars. Unless you are installing a NOS top, most of the tops are made by 1-2 companies. These new sound deadening fabrics were likely developed for newer cars. Now we get to benifit as well. I am sure there is a price increase for it as well. I believe you have to ask for the new stuff.
Thanks, Kevin. Did you happen to see the article in this month's Mustang Monthly? They installed one of the sound-deadening tops on a '65 or '66 convertible. I wouldn't mind going that route if one is available for a '90 model, AND if it's not noticeably different from the original design. I like the idea of the headliner, since it probably quietens the interior down as well as hides the top frame, but I don't want to go that route if the car didn't come that way originally. For some reason, I like the idea of the acoustically shielded top, but I don't care for the idea of retrofitting the headliner.
Is there a brand name, part number, etc. to ask around for to see about buying one of these new tops? I checked with NPD yesterday, and the only list the regular EZ-On top.
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Was that just the '83 model?
No, not just the '83s. The article does not mention the dates of convertibles, but does state that they were doing T-top conversions on Mustangs up to '81. For that reason, Ford had them do the convertibles, so I would assume they started with the '83s and kept on doing them up until '93.
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The 83 was done by the American Sunroof Corporation, same company that did the 67 Cougar sunroofs.
I don't believe that was correct. ASC was doing the Capri in limited volume 50 cars by 1984. It would not make sense for them to do the Mustang and then trying to sell their own conversion to Ford at the same time. This is why the Capri was selected as the Mustang was already a done deal. It also would not make sense for Ford to switch vendors after 83 to Cars and Concepts fir the remaining 9 years.
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Thanks, Kevin. Did you happen to see the article in this month's Mustang Monthly? They installed one of the sound-deadening tops on a '65 or '66 convertible. I wouldn't mind going that route if one is available for a '90 model, AND if it's not noticeably different from the original design. I like the idea of the headliner, since it probably quietens the interior down as well as hides the top frame, but I don't want to go that route if the car didn't come that way originally. For some reason, I like the idea of the acoustically shielded top, but I don't care for the idea of retrofitting the headliner.
Is there a brand name, part number, etc. to ask around for to see about buying one of these new tops? I checked with NPD yesterday, and the only list the regular EZ-On top.
I did read the article in MM. Ez on and the other main supplier are owned by the same company. Not sure if it's Robbins or Electrotops. It would seem that you need to request the special fabric. Try the website tops online.com
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I don't believe that was correct. ASC was doing the Capri in limited volume 50 cars by 1984. It would not make sense for them to do the Mustang and then trying to sell their own conversion to Ford at the same time. This is why the Capri was selected as the Mustang was already a done deal. It also would not make sense for Ford to switch vendors after 83 to Cars and Concepts fir the remaining 9 years.
My comment came from the statement below from this link: http://www.coachbuilt.com/bui/a/asc/asc.htm (http://www.coachbuilt.com/bui/a/asc/asc.htm)
ASC also built and engineered the reintroduced 1983 Mustang convertible, but due to a higher than expected demand, Ford took over its manufacture in 1984. A longer-lived Ford-ASC project was the ASC/McLaren Mercury Capri and Ford Mustang which debuted in 1984.
Here's an interesting July 1982 article that talks about the Cars & Concepts role: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/1983-ford-mustang-convertible-review (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/1983-ford-mustang-convertible-review)
It could very well be that ASC was doing some convertible work, and then when volume appeared to be larger than expected, Ford switched plans
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ASC also built and engineered the reintroduced 1983 Mustang convertible, but due to a higher than expected demand, Ford took over its manufacture in 1984. A longer-lived Ford-ASC project was the ASC/McLaren Mercury Capri and Ford Mustang which debuted in 1984.
The common story at the ASC site is that a Mustang was converted and presented to Ford because the wife of the designer worked at Ford and not allowed to park her Mercedes convertible up front (reserved for Fords). Ford turned them down as they already had a deal going with Cars and Concepts. Maybe Ford thought they could not make the volume needed. ASC ended up making 1 million convertibles before closing. I wonder if Ford ever made that many?
I have never seen or heard of a 79-83 Mustang convertible made by ASC. Other companies like Bivouac, yes and they only made 130 or so cars.
Just because its posted on the internet does not infer that its factual. The Coachbuilt article mentions Sandy Block as a resource. While Sandy was very knowledgeable, he was only so, due to his love for the ASC cars and a couple of friends he made at ASC. Sandy was a great friend.