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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1967 Mustang => Topic started by: preaction on September 25, 2016, 03:26:47 PM
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Well its been some time and this is where Im at with the engine, 390 GT for a non GT car. I realize I have more to do so here I go.
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It looks very good . Were you wanting constructive comment on what is seen in the pictures?
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I should have been more clear as Im trying to use this to learn from my mistakes so yes fire away and thanks.
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I thought so but wanted clarification so as not to be impolite. Did you get all of your bolts from AMK. If so they must be running out of some of the ones in the past that had assemblyline makers marks. For instance the compressor to bracket bolts previously came with the RBW markings. Most others are different too. Not a big deal unless thoroughbred. Just icing on the cake for other classes. Pic 1 missing star washer on ground bolt ,finish on bolt and washer although not always but more typically IMO gold ,Drain plug on oil pan should be painted. Pic 2, Motor mount should not be all black. Pic 6, 68 + style W/P heater hose fitting ,center washer and bolt on compressor clutch although not always but more typically gold finish. Pic 7, A/C brackets are hard to see but they should not be painted all black. The bracket is bare cast iron ,The pulley is black but and the center bearing cover of pulley should be silver . Pic 8,compressor valve should be all silver, P/S dipstick is 68+ type,no staples on valve cover gasket ,wrong P/S upper pressure hose,wrong appearing special bolt in lift hook,oil dipstick missing scabbard. Pic 9,ground bolt and missing star washer more typically gold finish. The engine detail looks very good +1 and comments are meant in a helpful way to make a great job even better from a historical standpoint. These are a few of the items that stand out in my mind for a appropriate concours trailered evaluation point of view. There are others but more of nuance details better suited for thoroughbred discussion . Others may see different. I hope this is helpful.
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Bob, thank you for your time and effort it is very much appreciated. All of the bolts for this assembly are the ones that came with it and were replated after I verified their demensions with a AMK catalog but I am shooting for a typical installation and this can be addressed. The altenater star washer is a internal type and it needs to be a external type. I am aware of the staples and am working on them. Un fortuneatly the oil pan bolt was replaced after paint, and the P/S hoses are on their way. Also I was aware of the lift hook bolts not being correct. Bob what is a dip stick scabbard ? The pic 9 bolt is gold and the star washer is on the bench. This is very helpful, Paul.
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Bob what is a dip stick scabbard ? The pic 9 bolt is gold and the star washer is on the bench. This is very helpful, Paul.
I think it is the collar of the handle that hangs over the dipstick tube.
Your engine does look great to my untrained eye!
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I think it is the collar of the handle that hangs over the dipstick tube.
Your engine does look great to my untrained eye!
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Its interesting how things appear when you have looked at them for so long and then you see a part with a small difference and I wonder how I didn't notice that, thanks. Bob is it possible to separate the dip stick from the handle to get the handle re chromed ?
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Its interesting how things appear when you have looked at them for so long and then you see a part with a small difference and I wonder how I didn't notice that, thanks. Bob is it possible to separate the dip stick from the handle to get the handle re chromed ?
Not that I am aware of. You have to rechrome the handle while still connected on the stick . I believe the plater knowing that only the handle is to be chromed will not submerge the whole thing in the tank. The ones I and others have had done only had chrome on a short section of the stick passed the handle. You have to explain to the chrome plater what your expectations are.
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Well its been some time and this is where Im at with the engine, 390 GT for a non GT car. I realize I have more to do so here I go.
First great effort. Will approach this slightly different since I think we're discussing details rather than judging - so in this section everything is important :)
Sorry if any are repeats from others posting. Won't get everything first pass but on an initial once over
Pic #633- For others the nylon zip tie is just there temporarily and not factory. Noticed the lack of star washer also on the engine ground attachment. Engine plate at the rear of the engine block appears to not have any paint (should have little to none in the starter attachment area) behind the oil pan and would guess not around the top and drivers side visible edge either as seen in pic #641
Pic #635 - Nice green tint on the Thermactor T :) and some nice original hoses
Pic #636 - Can't make out. Are there staples in place holding the valve cover gaskets to the valve covers? Holley choke shaft passenger side activation arm would bot be zinc dichromate (rebuilders like to plate everything the same most of the time) Choke shaft was plated on some and not on others - seems to depend on model. Choke cover (plastic cap or cover) was phosphate. Must not have bolted the carb to the intake manifold yet.
Pic #637 - Thermactor pump adjusting arm bolt washer installed backwards. Tab works as an indexer in the slot of the arm original ones I've seen have been engaged on the bottom/drivers side of the bolt head. . Did you apply the engine ID decal behind the Thermactor pump before you installed it? Believe the batter post nut is installed backwards. Wonder about where you attached the Thermactor adjustment arm. Looks odd - thing it might have originally been to the passenger side under the castle headed bolt with no washer. Maybe its just the bolt - will look at some other examples.
Pic #638 - Don't recall nor have pictures with the thick washer below it, of the AC pump mounting bolts being used on big blocks to hold the fill label to the pump. See it all the time on small blocks but they have a tubular brace that attaches to the same point - likely IMHO the reason for such a heavy duty bolt there on those cars. Have examples where the AC pump mounting bracket appears dark (reason its mistaken as black) possible phosphated finish. Bob mentioned the heater hose connection - might be the number or space from the end to the hex portion don't recall the Mustang used the same attachment as the Shelby's did but worth discussing. ;)
Pic #641 - Guess your waiting to figure out where the vacuum caps and lines are going to be installed/attached. Guess you will attach the carb choke heat tube later once the carb is attached fully. Not sure why two bolts in the rear of the passenger side head and the paint shadow. Passenger side Thermactor check valve a replacement? shade looks odd at this angle - large round body doesn't look tapered like an original
Pic #642 - Looking at other examples doesn't look like the Holley arm that controls the front bowl vent wasn't dichromate originally. Filler caps for the AC - are they both the same?
Pic #642 - Pertonics?
Got to look up the details related to the idle compensator. At the moment I can only recall the 66 applications for cars with Thermactor. Also the carb tag details - Therm verses non-Therm
Enough for now. Just little stuff that is pretty easy to adjust Did good 8)
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Pic #638 - Don't recall nor have pictures with the thick washer below it, of the AC pump mounting bolts being used on big blocks to hold the fill label to the pump. See it all the time on small blocks but they have a tubular brace that attaches to the same point - likely IMHO the reason for such a heavy duty bolt there on those cars. Have examples where the AC pump mounting bracket appears dark (reason its mistaken as black) possible phosphated finish. Bob mentioned the heater hose connection - might be the number or space from the end to the hex portion don't believe the Mustang used the same attachment as the Shelby's did but worth discussing. ;)
Jeff , the compressor bracket was more typically painted black. I can't recall ever seeing one that was a phosphate finish but then again I have not seen them all. I have seen hundreds over the years but even that allows for anomalies. I can say with a high confidence level that if some were a phosphate finish that it would be in a small minority given what I have seen in various contexts. I think you will find in your picture collection that the heater hose fitting was unique to 67 production year. It was a combination of two fittings that clocked the nipple outlet in a vertical position opposed to the more typical 45 degree that 68 on up were clocked at. It was a Mustang design and not a Shelby design(not sure how Shelby application would effect things). All of the fittings I ever found for 67 Shelby GT500 restorations came from 390 Mustangs until Bill Upton at Mansfield Mustang had them reproduced about 7-10 years ago at which point I bought them from Bill.
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Bob, Im not seeing the non Shelby 67 water pump nipple listed on Mansfield's web site. I did see some examples when you google that description it shows a shorter nipple with a larger hex area.
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Bob, Im not seeing the non Shelby 67 water pump nipple listed on Mansfield's web site. I did see some examples when you google that description it shows a shorter nipple with a larger hex area.
http://mansfieldmustang.com/EngineHBC.html -heat hose fitting . Even though he list them for 67 GT500 I have always found the ones for my needs on 390 Mustangs in the junk yards.
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Jeff , the compressor bracket was more typically painted black..........................which point I bought them from Bill.
Think some confusion took place while reading my response. I was expounding on your comments and they seem to agree from the whole - painted non-painted description of parts that someone started long ago
Your comment - "Pic 7, A/C brackets are hard to see but they should not be painted all black. The bracket is bare cast iron ,"
I think you will find in your picture collection that the heater hose fitting was unique to 67 production year. It was a combination of two fittings that clocked the nipple outlet in a vertical position opposed to the more typical 45 degree that 68 on up were clocked at. It was a Mustang design and not a Shelby design(not sure how Shelby application would effect things). ......
Must report that I've not found that fitting installed on any of the 67 390 I have pictures of and I have over 100 of the GT500;s with the fitting your referring to. Just reporting what I found - will find time to check a couple of other possible resources to continue the discussion :)
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preaction - As a follow up about the hot idle compensator not being present (attached) to the vacuum block between the thermactor and PCV Ford documents show that it was dropped from usage on Nov 11th on AC equipped and non-AC manual transmission without Thermactor. So both of your 67s (as listed in your signature) would have received the plug as you have it in your pictures. Just checking since I couldn't remember the date of the change
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Think some confusion took place while reading my response. I was expounding on your comments and they seem to agree from the whole - painted non-painted description of parts that someone started long ago
Your comment - "Pic 7, A/C brackets are hard to see but they should not be painted all black. The bracket is bare cast iron ,"
Must report that I've not found that fitting installed on any of the 67 390 I have pictures of and I have over 100 of the GT500;s with the fitting your referring to. Just reporting what I found - will find time to check a couple of other possible resources to continue the discussion :)
The compressor bracket is what I perceived you were talking about that you felt was sometimes phosphate. I think typically is black. I was referring to idler pulley and fixed idler pulley as pulley black ,center silver and bracket cast iron.
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Think some confusion took place while reading my response. I was expounding on your comments and they seem to agree from the whole - painted non-painted description of parts that someone started long ago
Your comment - "Pic 7, A/C brackets are hard to see but they should not be painted all black. The bracket is bare cast iron ,"
Must report that I've not found that fitting installed on any of the 67 390 I have pictures of and I have over 100 of the GT500;s with the fitting your referring to. Just reporting what I found - will find time to check a couple of other possible resources to continue the discussion :)
Jeff, page 8 of the Osborn copy of the Chassis assemblyline manual shows a 67 Mustang/Cougar 390 engine with A/C and has the heater hose pointing straight vertical instead of at a 45 degree angle. There is no mistaking which type of fitting is being used. The manual in this case agrees with what I have found in junk yards. The fact that the feature is illustrated on a regular Mustang /Cougar instead of a two four barrel intake appears to support that it is not meant as a 67 GT500 only feature. Maybe it is a A/C only issue (on regular BB Mustang) but certainly not a Shelby only issue from my observations.
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My $.02
Daisy is a 1967 DSO 72 (but from Dearborn ::) ) with CA-emissions Thermactor 390 w/ C6 restored by my dad and me in 1983:
My pcv valve did not have that fitting. It was a simple black hose to a metal tube connected at the front and back of the intake manifold. With spring clamps.
The thermactor hose connecting the anti-backfire to exhaust manifold assy. lays under the sparkplug wires and all else on the passenger side of the engine - it lays just on top of the manifold. You have it laying on top off everything.
Watch the heater hose routing - it is different on our cars (vs. all others). Yeah, not a helpful statement - just a caution ;)
I need a picture of the forward intake manifold to ensure you have the three way (IIRC) vacuum fitting.
To confirm, yes, it is a long neck heater hose fitting on the water pump. it is needed to properly clear the thermactor pump assy.
I will go back through your pictures to see if more jumps out.
I am amazed by your attention detail and how all your hardware looks! [big thumbs up]
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To confirm, yes, it is a long neck heater hose fitting on the water pump. it is needed to properly clear the thermactor pump assy.
;) been waiting for a confirmation by another...not so much an AC thing (as I believe Bob said) but I thought it must be solely for clearing the Thermactor pump. (mostly only saw California cars so this detail was vague, assembly manual indicated this though)
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;)been waiting for a confirmation by another...not so much an AC thing (as I believe Bob said) but I thought it must be solely for clearing the Thermactor pump. (mostly only saw California cars so this detail was vague, assembly manual indicated this though)
I am not sure of a application on a regular Mustang but it was a handy place to get needed parts for a 67 GT500. I didn't pay much attention other then trying to scope one out on a junk yard Mustang to pick. It certainly came on some regular Mustangs because that is where I got all of my junk yard finds from. It is not like you find Shelby's in junkyards frequently to pick parts off of . If there were I would certainly know the difference. ;D Keep in mind that the 2 piece vertical fitting was used regardless of if Thermactor , A/C or no A/C on a 67 GT500. I can't think of one thing that is different on a 67 GT500 in respect to this fitting that would be different on a regular Mustang. Can anyone else . That is why I have always assumed it was a typical 67 390 fitting wrong or not. As far as why? I had always figured that since the 390 was new for 67 to the Mustang body Ford engineers thought that they needed extra clearance for accessories which made it necessary for the altered angle. The engineers determined that they didn't need the design and chose the other style fitting for later models. No clearance problems,less parts and easier to install was my reasoning . At least that was my logical conclusion for my theory based on what I had observed right or wrong. I do know a reasonable explanation for a missing fitting would be the first time ,second time etc. a BB waterpump was replaced and the 2 piece fitting needed to be moved over to the replacement pump the lower "knuckle " section may have been left off and discarded given the extra trouble it was to install and orient in the proper fashion. Just a possible explanation. I have been under the impression it was a common knowledge 67 only production item like the smaller 67 BB radiator and fan shroud that were replaced with a better engineered system. I had no reason to think any differently until others brought up varying views. I only know for certain that it was used on 67 GT500's and that at least some regular 390 mustangs given where I have always found replacements for the MANY that were replaced on the 67 Shelby's. My thinking right or wrong was that they were replaced on the regular 390 Mustangs for the same reason that they were replaced on the many 67 GT500's I and others have seen and worked on. Through attrition. FYI the long fitting section of the two piece assembly is different in shape then the 68 + BB long fitting. you can compare from the picture I already posted.
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My $.02
Daisy is a 1967 DSO 72 (but from Dearborn ::) ) with CA-emissions Thermactor 390 w/ C6 restored by my dad and me in 1983:
My pcv valve did not have that fitting. It was a simple black hose to a metal tube connected at the front and back of the intake manifold. With spring clamps.
Interesting (will keep this short so we don't get off focus ;) have pictures of an unrestored example Dearborn, California DSO with the block just no idle compensator non-AC car
The thermactor hose connecting the anti-backfire to exhaust manifold assy. lays under the sparkplug wires and all else on the passenger side of the engine - it lays just on top of the manifold. You have it laying on top off everything.
Think your referring to the hose from the T to the pump rather than the one that goes from the passenger side manifold to the T and the T to the back fire valve
He still got one heater hose to route under all that stuff also
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;) been waiting for a confirmation by another...not so much an AC thing (as I believe Bob said) but I thought it must be solely for clearing the Thermactor pump. (mostly only saw California cars so this detail was vague, assembly manual indicated this though)
OK what I found
- Interesting that the pieces we're discussing (the water pump attachment) wasn't even serviced or carried by Ford six months after production had stopped. Not even a listing (Feb 68 MPC) for anything to fit the application. Which is odd IMHO that they didn't suggest just using the 68 version if it cleared everything without the elbow.
- Big Fords were built with the straight water nipple and it didn't interfere with the Thermactor pump - though made it a little tighter fit and required that the heater hose take an passenger side route but those bigger engine compartments had allot more space than Mustangs and Cougars
- Pictures are from all played with cars or at least the possibility. The since the elbow moves the hose and the end of the nipple away from the Thermactor pump I can't see where it is needed or provides additional space for that need. Without the elbow/adapter the end sort of heads towards the top of all the Thermactor stuff up front
- We know well that the Thermactor and the style Bob is describing does play well with one another considering all the GT500 examples we have and for that case even with Thermactor and AC.
- Can report back that I did check again through the pictures I have ignoring those that had been "restored" and the like and did find a couple of San Jose Thermactor cars still with the style we see on Shelby's.
In some cases there are not indexed well and now (when picture was taken) point in another direction ::) Which can lead to mis- identification
As can be expected many of them have been replaced over the years as they failed
Pretty early car in the 7R108xx range
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/6/6-270916235333-62962198.jpeg)
Fairly late San Jose indexed way over towards the passenger side
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/6/6-270916235334-6297384.jpeg)
And an example from a non-unrestored car showing the orientation of the nipple, Thermactor pump and AC brackets and such
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/6/6-270916235903-62991570.jpeg)
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Jeff, thanks for looking over the pics I appreciate it. There are no staples on the valve covers yet but the gaskets are silver. I do have the phosphate coated choke cover wrong one is on the carb. Jeff I looked many times for the orientation of the air pump special washer and it looked like it should have one end resting on a bolt flat and one end in the adjuster slot. The engine decal is on order. You mentioned the batter post nut on backwards ? The air pump adjuster arm is mounted the same as in one of your pics here. The thick washer holding the a/c metal tag was identified in the assembly manual and dementions veryifyed from AMK fastener book. I never noticed this but jeff you are right the passenger side air tube check valve doesn't say ford on it. I will waite to see where the a/c bracket goes. And the two bolts on the back of the passenger side are the trans fill tube hold down top bolt and the engine ground strap bolt and star washer in gold is the second and there is only shadow from the lighting from my dim garage. The engine currently has a petronix soon to be changed over as I have too many changes this time around to not have it start up well. Also not sure about the water pump heater hose nipple, could Dearborn have been different ?
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Jeff, thanks for looking over the pics I appreciate it. There are no staples on the valve covers yet but the gaskets are silver. I do have the phosphate coated choke cover wrong one is on the carb. Jeff I looked many times for the orientation of the air pump special washer and it looked like it should have one end resting on a bolt flat and one end in the adjuster slot. The engine decal is on order. You mentioned the batter post nut on backwards ? The air pump adjuster arm is mounted the same as in one of your pics here. The thick washer holding the a/c metal tag was identified in the assembly manual and dementions veryifyed from AMK fastener book. I never noticed this but jeff you are right the passenger side air tube check valve doesn't say ford on it. I will waite to see where the a/c bracket goes. And the two bolts on the back of the passenger side are the trans fill tube hold down top bolt and the engine ground strap bolt and star washer in gold is the second and there is only shadow from the lighting from my dim garage. The engine currently has a petronix soon to be changed over as I have too many changes this time around to not have it start up well. Also not sure about the water pump heater hose nipple, could Dearborn have been different ?
FYI the 390's were all built at the Dearborn engine plant.
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For what it's worth...
While the radiator, heater, and bypass hoses had all been replaced at some point prior to 1983, I'm about 99% certain that the C6AE-8505B waterpump (casting date 6G1 = July 1, 1966) is the original waterpump that my car was born with, and the heater hose fitting is the straight-up, two piece version that Bob describes...
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It appears the nipple in the above picture is different from the nipple provided by Mansfield restorations, the 45* fitting looks the same.
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It appears the nipple in the above picture is different from the nipple provided by Mansfield restorations, the 45* fitting looks the same.
I think the Mansfield one is a copy of the one engineered to used but have seen the other style enough times in a original matrix along with the knuckle to believe it was used sporadically as well.
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.................. You mentioned the batter post nut on backwards ?
If i recall the picture you posted had the nut that has the hex end and the round (no Hex) end. I've always seen those mounted so that the round in towards the clamp end allowing better access for a rench
The thick washer holding the a/c metal tag was identified in the assembly manual and dementions veryifyed from AMK fastener book.
So you based the selection just on the assembly manual. Wonder if that is how cars were built through the year. Of course just because there was a part made (what the AMK would confirm) doesn't confirm its application for this purpose. Are you doing the same with some of your selections such as Thermactor parts and such? Considering all the running changes and details not followed in the assembly manual by the workers and the different plants Just a concern basing choices just on the manuals
I never noticed this but jeff you are right the passenger side air tube check valve doesn't say ford on it. I will waite to see where the a/c bracket goes.
More the different shape than the marking but would likely confirm
As for the water pump heater hose connection (has sort of taken allot of the thread so far)
as Bob mentioned the engines were all assembled at the same plant though I can't confirm if the nipple was installed before the engine was shipped though I think its likely. I do have a Dearborn Thermactor with a straight long nipple but its from the first day or two of production so it may not reflect what was the common practice later in the production year.
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So you based the selection just on the assembly manual. Wonder if that is how cars were built through the year. Of course just because there was a part made (what the AMK would confirm) doesn't confirm its application for this purpose. Are you doing the same with some of your selections such as Thermactor parts and such? Considering all the running changes and details not followed in the assembly manual by the workers and the different plants Just a concern basing choices just on the manuals
It's a wonder that Ford could build anything in that era, poor engineering, poor planning and poor assembly line techniques not withstanding. Yes, we know the assembly manuals are Ford engineering's design concepts, and yes, we know there are deviations between assembly plants, and yes, we know that plant assembly engineers made changes to facilitate assembly. That being said, MCA judges Mustangs to a standard. If you deviate from that standard WITHOUT documentation, you will lose points. If the vehicle is judged to Thoroughbred standards, a deviation could mean the difference between an ordinary car or an extraordinary vehicle. After 50 years (plus or minus a few) of existence, it is difficult to justify what to base your choice of restoration tips, documentation that we know might have been corrected or changed, or pictures of a deviation on a car with an unknown background.
And you wonder what drives people to drink (pun intended).
Jim
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Jeff I should have been more clear all of the bolts and hardware on this engine is what came to me with the car and have been replated and refinished. As I received it the a/c compressor was not mounted on the engine and was just parts in a box. Since it is an unusual washer (thick) and was with the car and matched the assembly manual I used it, my goal is to assemble the best time frame and plant correct engine that I can so any help and direction is very much appreciated, Paul. Also I did not include a yellow paint mark that I found on the end of the air pump shaft is this something that has been seen before ?
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Jeff I should have been more clear all of the bolts and hardware on this engine is what came to me with the car and have been replated and refinished. As I received it the a/c compressor was not mounted on the engine and was just parts in a box. Since it is an unusual washer (thick) and was with the car and matched the assembly manual I used it, my goal is to assemble the best time frame and plant correct engine that I can so any help and direction is very much appreciated, Paul. Also I did not include a yellow paint mark that I found on the end of the air pump shaft is this something that has been seen before ?
Mainly it has migrated from one restoration to another IMO. I am not sure where it started. Could have been some but not on the majority IMO. Yellow not typically seen on unmolested smog pumps from what I have seen.
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RH smog check valve is the much later type or aftermarket totally different design should be fomoco marked c6az big nipple type like the lh long tube. What about the blue painted rear booster steel tube as the later big block tubes are raw steel since they were not painted on engine added later like the rear brass fitting it screws to depending on if power brake option? Also rh manifold missing c4az fitting that presses in bottom for the auto choke tubes . I have smog check valve & chrome dipstick if needed.
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Thanks specialed, There is a lot to look at but I did mistakenly paint the brake booster vacuum steel tube. I am also still waiting for a choke stove kit for the rh manifold. Also I do have the correct check valve I'm not sure how that happened. After some more looking I found in the 67 electrical assembly manual on page 63 a hose routing guide for a 390 a/c set up and there it clearly shows the hose routing for the heater core and it also has the two piece water pump outlet, there is also a illustration of this on page 30 where both parts are pointed to individually I never really noticed this before.
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Quick question regarding the spark plug wires. I see you have the plastic heat sleeves. Did the non-smog have those as well? I just received a set of wires from Marti Auto and they don't have them. Did yours come with them, or did you have to add them ? Can I just use shrink tubing?
Thanks!
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Quick question regarding the spark plug wires. I see you have the plastic heat sleeves. Did the non-smog have those as well? I just received a set of wires from Marti Auto and they don't have them. Did yours come with them, or did you have to add them ? Can I just use shrink tubing?
Thanks!
The sleeves were typically only used on engines with thermactor tubes. They were meant to help keep the hot tubes from burning unprotected spark plug wires. No thermactor tubes no sleeves.
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Paul,
Looks pretty good to my eye. I am glad the paint I sourced for you worked out well. Did you use the flattening agent, or spray it as is?
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Quick question regarding the spark plug wires. I see you have the plastic heat sleeves. Did the non-smog have those as well?
For others reading this thread for this year and application - yes as Bob posted. For other years and engines you can find them used on non-Thermactor engines - just easier to order, inventory and handle one style than multiple different styles
...........Can I just use shrink tubing?
Thickness of the material is very different IMHO
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Paul,
Looks pretty good to my eye. I am glad the paint I sourced for you worked out well. Did you use the flattening agent, or spray it as is?
I did use the flattener and it worked very well, does it seem to bright ? The good thing is there is enough left over to paint another engine.
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I thought so but wanted clarification so as not to be impolite. Did you get all of your bolts from AMK. If so they must be running out of some of the ones in the past that had assemblyline makers marks. For instance the compressor to bracket bolts previously came with the RBW markings. Most others are different too. Not a big deal unless thoroughbred. Just icing on the cake for other classes. Pic 1 missing star washer on ground bolt ,finish on bolt and washer although not always but more typically IMO gold ,Drain plug on oil pan should be painted. Pic 2, Motor mount should not be all black. Pic 6, 68 + style W/P heater hose fitting ,center washer and bolt on compressor clutch although not always but more typically gold finish. Pic 7, A/C brackets are hard to see but they should not be painted all black. The bracket is bare cast iron ,The pulley is black but and the center bearing cover of pulley should be silver . Pic 8,compressor valve should be all silver, P/S dipstick is 68+ type,no staples on valve cover gasket ,wrong P/S upper pressure hose,wrong appearing special bolt in lift hook,oil dipstick missing scabbard. Pic 9,ground bolt and missing star washer more typically gold finish. The engine detail looks very good +1 and comments are meant in a helpful way to make a great job even better from a historical standpoint. These are a few of the items that stand out in my mind for a appropriate concours trailered evaluation point of view. There are others but more of nuance details better suited for thoroughbred discussion . Others may see different. I hope this is helpful.
Bob, could give me an idea of what is needed for a 67 p/s dip stick, this one has writing stamped on the dip in end and on the handle.
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Bob, could give me an idea of what is needed for a 67 p/s dip stick, this one has writing stamped on the dip in end and on the handle.
The printing stamped on the finger pull handle identify's a 67 P/S dipstick.
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http://mansfieldmustang.com/EngineHBC.html -heat hose fitting . Even though he list them for 67 GT500 I have always found the ones for my needs on 390 Mustangs in the junk yards.
Was the fitting painted with the engine? I am sure I have come across the answer in another post, but cannot find it so I apologize in advance. Judging by the rust on mine I am guessing it was not painted, but would like to clean it up before I put it back together.
Thanks
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Was the fitting painted with the engine? I am sure I have come across the answer in another post, but cannot find it so I apologize in advance. Judging by the rust on mine I am guessing it was not painted, but would like to clean it up before I put it back together.
Thanks
The heater hose fittings were added after the engine was painted so not painted.
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As always....thanks!