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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1966 Shelby => Topic started by: Hipo giddyup on January 16, 2018, 03:13:02 PM
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I have just picked up a set of these traction bars, ( no doubt reproductions), however they are missing the front mounting brackets because the previous owner had his bodyshop replace the front section of frame rail and they were trashed. Does anyone know where one could get some "blue prints" of the front mounting brackets so I could hopefully reproduce them?? Or even measurements / dimensions would be a start.
Just to be clear, these are the "under-rider" traction bars not the type that mounted on top of the axle. Thanks!!
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I have just picked up a set of these traction bars, ( no doubt reproductions), however they are missing the front mounting brackets because the previous owner had his bodyshop replace the front section of frame rail and they were trashed. Does anyone know where one could get some "blue prints" of the front mounting brackets so I could hopefully reproduce them?? Or even measurements / dimensions would be a start.
Just to be clear, these are the "under-rider" traction bars not the type that mounted on top of the axle. Thanks!!
You might start with contacting Traction Master and see if they can give you info or sell you the part . Most likely they can do ether. FYI SA added a heavy piece of angle iron to the frame rail first before adding the bracket that came with the traction master kit.
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Thanks for the info Bob. I was thinking of trying them for replacements. And it’s good to know about the added angle pieces. That I was unaware of. Anyone have any pics or closeups of this area??
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Thanks for the info Bob. I was thinking of trying them for replacements. And it’s good to know about the added angle pieces. That I was unaware of. Anyone have any pics or closeups of this area??
Here are some quickie pictures of the bracket that was ripped out of a rusty frame rail.
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one more
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My friend Dave McDonald made these pictures for my friend in Sweden (6S923).
Hope he doesn't mind me sharing them.
Texas Swede
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My friend Dave McDonald made these pictures for my friend in Sweden (6S923).
Hope he doesn't mind me sharing them.
Texas Swede
Nice job :)
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Wow that is really helpful. I'm half tempted to recreate these myself since these pics are very detailed. I have a good bit of angle iron and steel laying around the shop. I'll follow up and let you all know if they can even be purchased separately from traction master, or if I decide to create these from scratch. Many thanks!
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Roland's 6S923 was raced by Claude Dubois in Europe and the original traction bars
were removed and the ear on the front mountings were cut off with the rest
remaining and the rear brackets with 3 ears were removed. A Panhard Rod was added.
Roland made the ears and welded them onto the front brackets
and it turned out great. No one can see any difference from original.
Texas Swede
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My friend Dave McDonald made these pictures for my friend in Sweden (6S923).
Hope he doesn't mind me sharing them.
Texas Swede
No problem at all Bo, thanks for sharing! I totally forgot about those, better save a copy in case I didn't save the originals...
Scott Drake reproduces a concours underride traction bar kit. I haven't seen one so can't comment on how accurate they are or if you can get the front brackets separately. Available here from Virginia Mustang...
http://www.virginiaclassicmustang.com/65-66-Mustang-and-GT350-Shelby-Traction-Bar-Kit-Show-Quality-P482280.aspx (http://www.virginiaclassicmustang.com/65-66-Mustang-and-GT350-Shelby-Traction-Bar-Kit-Show-Quality-P482280.aspx)
Dave
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No problem at all Bo, thanks for sharing! I totally forgot about those, better save a copy in case I didn't save the originals...
Scott Drake reproduces a concours underride traction bar kit. I haven't seen one so can't comment on how accurate they are or if you can get the front brackets separately. Available here from Virginia Mustang...
http://www.virginiaclassicmustang.com/65-66-Mustang-and-GT350-Shelby-Traction-Bar-Kit-Show-Quality-P482280.aspx (http://www.virginiaclassicmustang.com/65-66-Mustang-and-GT350-Shelby-Traction-Bar-Kit-Show-Quality-P482280.aspx)
Dave
The Drake made set is the next best thing. The hardware is different and it doesn't include the Shelby added angle piece for strength (as seen in your example)
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Thanks for posting the link, Dave.
Unfortunately, we are currently out of the kits due to Drake having trouble obtaining all of the components.
I have also tried to get the various components separately, but they are only sold as a kit at this time.
We only have the bushings available separately.
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The Drake made set is the next best thing. The hardware is different and it doesn't include the Shelby added angle piece for strength (as seen in your example)
I picked up the Drake bars from VA Mustang last year after first trying the TM bars. I had the correct rear mounts which TM doesn’t provide but it turned out that the front mount on TM was less than I expected so I swapped for Drake which uses a piece of angle iron. The dimensions are nearly identical to those pictured. The only notable difference is that the rear side of the piece with the bolt welded to it is flush with the angle iron. The 10-70 brackets are also very close to original TM pieces
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I have emailed Traction master twice and had no response. I'm going to attempt to make a "looks close" pair of these mounts myself and have bought some angle iron today. Might take me a bit and might not be exact but I'll post pictures when I'm done.. Thanks to everyone for their replies. I have learned a bunch on just one small detail!!!
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Here is the phone number. They're in the Los Angeles area.
-Keith
818.565.1121
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Thanks Keith. I’ll see what they can do.
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I called the company yesterday morning and left a vm. Still no reply back.. :'(
Guess they're forcing me to break out my welder. ;)
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Based on my experience, you will have a very difficult time reaching someone at TM.
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Based on my experience, you will have a very difficult time reaching someone at TM.
Brant help me with a question on the Drake reproduction TM bars. Do they have the M1 cast into the end of the arms like the TM parts or not?
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Brant help me with a question on the Drake reproduction TM bars. Do they have the M1 cast into the end of the arms like the TM parts or not?
Bob,
Yes, they do have the correct markings. They are really nice.
They also are constructed of thicker wall tubing than the originals, which is a huge plus.
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They also are constructed of thicker wall tubing than the originals, which is a huge plus.
So you can jack the car up using them if you have the reproductions??
Sorry - bad joke since there are a fair number of original cars where the owners bent theirs trying ::)
Thanks Brant for sharing the details
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originally the front mounting plate was painted bronze then welded on then painted black at shelby plant. would any traces of bronze be visible?
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originally the front mounting plate was painted bronze then welded on then painted black at shelby plant. would any traces of bronze be visible?
There could be. I believe that the bracket from the TM kit was welded on top of a extra section of bare steel angle . I am not sure if the angle was wlded on the car first and then the TM bracket added or if the assembly was welded together prior to installing on the car. Regardless some was bronze and some bare steel and a lot of welding going on to burn off bronze paint. With that said paint the TM bracket portion bronze and with the welding process in mind . Paint the angle iron portion and welds completely black .Paint the TM bracket portion black where it is welded with no attempt to try and protect any bronze color . I think things will be pretty black. I think given the purpose the intent also was to black out the entire bracket . The bronze color would catch your eye in that area on a otherwise dark underside (reason the pinch weld was painted black ;) )
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............ would any traces of bronze be visible?
IMHO no typically. Of the bracket was chipped or scratched then maybe then