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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1964 1/2 - 1965 => Topic started by: Skyway65 on December 17, 2010, 06:29:47 PM
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I'm going to get a stamp made to reproduce the information on my original coil. The problem is the date code is chipped off. Do the coil date codes follow the same pattern as the other date codes found on other parts of the car? In other words, would say a "4L18" be correct for a January '65 build date? Thanks in advance.
(http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab270/bertram65/DSC_0853-1.jpg)
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Coils are usually a slightly different format. They would be something like 4LAB, 5AAA. Year/Month/Week/Shift
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Thanks for that Charles-that's what I needed. :)
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My Original May 66 coil was stamped “6EBC” which I believe is 6=1966 E=May B=2nd Week C= 3rd shift
Dave
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The re pop decal I've seen has a code of 7113. Which would be an early '67 date (?) but with the older style FOMOCO script. I thought I could use that for the artwork, with a proper date added, to get the stamp made...
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The re pop decal I've seen has a code of 7113. Which would be an early '67 date (?) but with the older style FOMOCO script. I thought I could use that for the artwork, with a proper date added, to get the stamp made...
I would not suggest just using the repo decal for the artwork - plenty of others have tried that with the coil and other stamps. Just not close IMHO to the original since it appears (like usual) whom every did the artwork just used stock (close) fonts and spacing but when compared to the original its easy to see the differences.
Just trying to save you from going down the wrong road ;)
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My Original May 66 coil was stamped “6EBC” which I believe is 6=1966 E=May B=2nd Week C= 3rd shift
Dave
Thanks for catching that.
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Gary,
If you want to split hairs and get it EXACTLY right, I'm willing to help out in the hope that you may have a skill that I need sometime.
I am a CAD Draftsman, and I operated a graphics/sign shop for years.
I will do you an AutoCAD drawing that the stamp guys can work from, that's exact.
Here's what I need:
1) O.A. Ht x Ln of YOUR coil stamping, say to the nearest 0.010"
2) 10 closeup shots of YOUR coil stamping, perpendicular to the coil, each 1/10 of the way around the arc that the stamping falls in
3) The date code that YOU would like to have
It will probably take me about 2 hrs to import the 10 pictures into AutoCAD and draw each letter with the same font and spacing. Then I'll send you a disk with the AutoCAD drawing and a DXF file for the stamp company.
As I said, maybe you can help me out with somethin' I need in the future.
Bryan
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I made a Autolite stamp for my coil from my original, but I also have a Fomoco. My coil date was dated the same week my car was scheduled to be built. I have attached a pic of the fomoco stamp that I had made just needs the date input. It's in a micrsoft word file if you want me to send it to you. When I made mine in Microsoft word I printed it out on some old clear overhead projector sheets that way I could hold it over the coil to check the match so I could get it exactly right. After I got the stamp made the hard part was stamping the round coil took a few trys.
Dave
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Thanks for all of the support and suggestions. Where else but a forum like this would anybody care about such a SMALL detail! I tried to send PM's to both Twilight65 and Bryan BUT for some reason that feature doesn't seem to be working...OR, I can't figure the right way to do it. So, can you guys try to contact me and see if that works!!
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I'm gonna split my email address into 2 parts to avoid spam. Just put the 2 parts (not vertical lines) together.
|bryandco|
|bb@att.net|
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no one has yet mentioned this but i was taught long ago that the stamp should have a curve to it to make it easier to roll it on..........thoughts ??
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You can also fix the stamp stationary and then roll the coil across it . You can have the stamp made up on a rocker base also. I have not tried that myself but heard from others that are happy with that arrangement. Bob
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I made a Autolite stamp for my coil from my original, but I also have a Fomoco. My coil date was dated the same week my car was scheduled to be built. I have attached a pic of the fomoco stamp that I had made just needs the date input. It's in a micrsoft word file if you want me to send it to you. When I made mine in Microsoft word I printed it out on some old clear overhead projector sheets that way I could hold it over the coil to check the match so I could get it exactly right. After I got the stamp made the hard part was stamping the round coil took a few trys.
Dave
(http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv8/dkcain1/SCAN0014.jpg)
Dave, I would be interested in seeing the Autolite version you did. Thanks .Bob
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Here's my Autolite. When I stamped my coil I stood it upright on a table and Also had the stamp on the table and rolled it around it. My original stamp was 3/8" from the bottom of the coil so it worked out pretty good. If you notice on originals there never perfect anyway. Here's a before and after with the restamp.
Dave
PS Gary I sent you a PM
(http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv8/dkcain1/SDC10063-2.jpg)(http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv8/dkcain1/StampedCoil.jpg)(http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv8/dkcain1/ShanesStamps3.jpg)
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MAN!!!! That's a little short "squatty" thang!
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The line up of the AUTOLITE and the rest of the boxes and such appears off in your artwork (just offering constructive input of course ;)
Unfortunately can't up load an original example and new art this moment
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No problem Jeff. Thats why I made the artwork and then printed it on a clear plastic sheet to get it to match my original. I must of printed and cleaned that plastic sheet 20 times as I held it over the coil to get it to match. It may be off a little to another coil but it matched my original and that's what I was after.
Dave
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The lined aria around the date code on my Aug 64 coupe is different from the ones on your 66 stamp.Instead of being straight above and below the date they are curved.
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Sorry to bring a long dead article back but thinking about getting a stamp made for my coil. Is Staples the best place to have this made and if so, what type of stamp as they have several to choose from:
http://www.staples.com/sbd/content/copyandprint/stamps.html
Thanks
Chris
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Sorry to bring a long dead article back but thinking about getting a stamp made for my coil. Is Staples the best place to have this made and if so, what type of stamp as they have several to choose from:
Most likely they will refuse do to copywrite concerns. Heard a number of stories lately of guys getting refused based on that concern by the stamp making companies
Also would be concerned if they would not redo/substitute your fonts for "stock" fonts
As for what type of stamp it depends on hoe you plan to install/apply it and how you plan to "ink" the stamp.
You can choose to roll the stamp on the part (in this case a coil) or roll the part on the stamp. Placed or attached stationary while you move the coil over the stamp.
Haven't measured my coil stamps in a long time but see the post with those measurements - have you checked if they make them that large? And if so that might limit your choices going through them.
There are companies that make signs and such that make stamps
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On my car, an early May 65 GT350, the stamp is completely hidden behind the
mounting bracket when mounted in the original position.
Texas Swede
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On my car, an early May 65 GT350, the stamp is completely hidden behind the
mounting bracket when mounted in the original position.
Texas Swede
I've seen a number of early cars (1965/66) where the stamping was hidden behind the coil bracket. The MCA rules state that the stamping should be visible. This should be changed as that wasn't always the case.
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I've seen a number of early cars (1965/66) where the stamping was hidden behind the coil bracket. The MCA rules state that the stamping should be visible. This should be changed as that wasn't always the case.
The wording might be tricky since, if the owner choose, mounting the clamp high on the coil would not hide the stamp. Wording would IMHO need to include where the clamp & coil need to be orientated if the stamp is not going to be visible or your just giving all the owners a free pass and not representing how the car were build.
Just a thought
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I've seen a number of early cars (1965/66) where the stamping was hidden behind the coil bracket. The MCA rules state that the stamping should be visible. This should be changed as that wasn't always the case.
Agree. Should also not allow the decals, but that's another subject altogether.
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agree with charles. we tried to eliminate the decal at the last judges meeting but was overruled by those in charge. it was decided to leave the stamping for t-bred only.
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........ we tried to eliminate the decal at the last judges meeting but was overruled by those in charge. it was decided to leave the stamping for t-bred only.
::) Remember when the body (the judges) use to vote on things and that was what got carried forward to the board for approval
Does not one good to hold the standard for restored cars so low that it allows things that were never used originally as a poor substitute for what was. And it no way allows owners who do it right any reward for their efforts
SOrry for getting off subject.
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On my car, an early May 65 GT350, the stamp is completely hidden behind the
mounting bracket when mounted in the original position.
Texas Swede
If the coil bracket covered the stamping on cars like Texas Swede I can't see where we'd be giving him or anyone else a pass, if that's what Ford Motor Company did. We must remember we don't make the rules. The guidelines were made by Ford when they built those cars.
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If the coil bracket covered the stamping on cars like Texas Swede I can't see where we'd be giving him or anyone else a pass, ......
Let me try and explain my comment better
If an owner chooses to mount their coil so that the band covers the top quarter (approximately) of the tube or side of the coil and the stamp as we know, was typically applied to the bottom 1/3-1/4 if the rules are not written carefully, could they not claim that the stamp is not missing but its "under the clamp" like the rules would apply.
Just a predictable situation IMHO.
Would rather see nothing instead of the clear decal with the 70 date code :)
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Let me try and explain my comment better
If an owner chooses to mount their coil so that the band covers the top quarter (approximately) of the tube or side of the coil and the stamp as we know, was typically applied to the bottom 1/3-1/4 if the rules are not written carefully, could they not claim that the stamp is not missing but its "under the clamp" like the rules would apply.
Just a predictable situation IMHO.
Would rather see nothing instead of the clear decal with the 70 date code :)
I must agree with you, I'd rather see nothing than see something that's wrong. In a lot of cases you'll see nothing and that's the way it was.
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Is there an expected timeline for when FoMoCo was phased out and replaced with Autolite?
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Is there an expected timeline for when FoMoCo was phased out and replaced with Autolite?
Mid 66 production I believe.
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Well, there isn't a lot of room below the coil and the top of the front cover/aluminum water pump/oil dip stick tube bracket. For the stamp to be fully visible the stamp must be placed
higher up on the coil, i.e. non original location.
See picture from the attached original picture of 5S114 in Paris, France 1965.
Texas Swede
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Mid 66 production I believe.
Thanks
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See pictures. Dec 15 1964
On mine, the stamp is hidden from factory. I have seen exactly the same on others from this era. The pictures also show the proper orientation and level of the coil in support.
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Great pictures. It's ashamed the factory hid such a neat concours detail. What were they thinking? ;D
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It's ashamed the factory hid such a neat concours detail. What were they thinking? ;D
This may come as a shock to you and a lot of others, but Ford was not building concourse grade cars. :-X
Jim
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This may come as a shock to you and a lot of others, but Ford was not building concourse grade cars. :-X
Jim
From an authenticity perspective they were, but certainly not from a workmanship/condition/cleanliness... lol
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From an authenticity perspective they were, but certainly not from a workmanship/condition/cleanliness... lol
Which is why Ford dealerships had a "dealer prep" stage, and many cars were also retrofitted, "Ship it, let the dealer take care of that screw up."
Jim