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Marketplace => Parts for Sale => Topic started by: Brant on September 15, 2011, 07:12:08 PM
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Read about it here in my Blog post:
http://blog.virginiaclassicmustang.com/2011/09/coming-soonfomoco-script-headlights.html
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Brant, YOU ARE the man still again!! now I can't wait for one of my etched ones to burn out so I can replace them both-lol
Have you given any thought to making them in Halogen? that would be trick to have a correct embossed headlight that looks the part, but would offer far superior lighting of Halogen.
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Brant, what is the makers mark going to be? I hope it is not wagner like the etched ones were. Bob
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Brant, YOU ARE the man still again!! now I can't wait for one of my etched ones to burn out so I can replace them both-lol
Have you given any thought to making them in Halogen? that would be trick to have a correct embossed headlight that looks the part, but would offer far superior lighting of Halogen.
Rick-There are no plans right now to make them in Halogen, but I will keep that in mind.
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Brant, what is the makers mark going to be? I hope it is not wagner like the etched ones were. Bob
Bob,
We will have to wait for the final prototype, but they are entirely new reproductions and will not be Wagner branded. The etched ones, of course, were just "available" Wagner bulbs. BTW, those particular Wagner bulbs were discontinued. I guess there is not much demand for old sealed beam stuff like that anymore. Kind of like finding nice radial tires for 14 inch (and even 15 inch) wheels anymore!
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Bob,
We will have to wait for the final prototype, but they are entirely new reproductions and will not be Wagner branded. The etched ones, of course, were just "available" Wagner bulbs. BTW, those particular Wagner bulbs were discontinued. I guess there is not much demand for old sealed beam stuff like that anymore. Kind of like finding nice radial tires for 14 inch (and even 15 inch) wheels anymore!
.TS or GE would be my choice if you could get them to sign off on the licensing reasonably. No makers mark would be better then one that was a non OEM IMHO. The best of luck on however it ends up being. Bob
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.TS or GE would be my choice if you could get them to sign off on the licensing reasonably. No makers mark would be better then one that was a non OEM IMHO. The best of luck on however it ends up being. Bob
Bob,
I've only seen the molded in logo original ones in the Westinghouse brand with the "W." Have you seen other brands with the molded logo?
Also sent you an email.
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Bob,
I've only seen the molded in logo original ones in the Westinghouse brand with the "W." Have you seen other brands with the molded logo?
Also sent you an email.
Brant , I don't think I have now that i think about it. I think that molded glass might not have been a trade mark but it was only attributed to the westinghouse brand. I have not paid that much attention to the molded glass type because I seldom see them in my searches. They are a nicer looking style however typically I don't see them on the 65-67 SJ cars that I am used to looking at. I typically see the GE or TS brand etched type on those. The later Dearborn Shelby's Typically used the TS etched type . I know that Westinghouse was a big OEM vendor . I look forward to having something like those available. I hope they make the smaller four light system bulbs for the later Mustangs and 67 Shelby's .Bob
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Brant , I don't think I have now that i think about it. I think that molded glass might not have been a trade mark but it was only attributed to the westinghouse brand. ........
Do have one picture of a molded one out of a car that appears to be Westinghouse at the bottom
Will look at others
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I agree that only Westinghouse used the 'Molded' Logo. the Tung-Sol and General Electric Brands used the 'Etched' Logo. I believe the only stipulation from Ford for their Bulb Suppliers was that the Bulbs carry the (FoMoCo) Logo at center, it was not stipulated that they be molded or etched, so the suppliers took it upon themselves to do what they felt like doing. Original Westinghouse Bulbs are extremely rare to find, IMHO. This is my experience from having hundreds of the original Bulbs over the years. I have seen postings from Bob Perkins that suggests he feels the same way I do.
Brant, are these manufactured by your company through a Supplier? or if not, who is manufacturing these, if you care to reveal that? Andrew
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Brant, are these manufactured by your company through a Supplier? or if not, who is manufacturing these, if you care to reveal that? Andrew
Andrew,
I know it sounds crazy, but I have been asked not to reveal the source at this time. I was even hesitant to post what I did, but it was decided that it was okay as long as I did not post a picture of the actual product. I guess the supplier just wants to make sure that the bulbs test out okay before we proceed. Thanks for your interest.
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No problems Brant. I understand confidentiality is very important until the actual product is released. Glad to see these coming available, as Original Head Lights just don't really exist anymore. Andrew
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Andrew,
I know it sounds crazy, but I have been asked not to reveal the source at this time. I was even hesitant to post what I did, but it was decided that it was okay as long as I did not post a picture of the actual product. I guess the supplier just wants to make sure that the bulbs test out okay before we proceed. Thanks for your interest.
Brant, I still say that you ARE the man for getting involved with this and the other high quality reproduction parts that you have helped bring to the market!! THANKS!!!!
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I agree that only Westinghouse used the 'Molded' Logo. the Tung-Sol and General Electric Brands used the 'Etched' Logo. I believe the only stipulation from Ford for their Bulb Suppliers was that the Bulbs carry the (FoMoCo) Logo at center, it was not stipulated that they be molded or etched, so the suppliers took it upon themselves to do what they felt like doing. Original Westinghouse Bulbs are extremely rare to find, IMHO. This is my experience from having hundreds of the original Bulbs over the years. I have seen postings from Bob Perkins that suggests he feels the same way I do.
Just harvested 14 out of a junkyard, all smaller (5-1/2"?) versions. 9 are TS, 4 are GE, and 1 Westinghouse. Only the Westinghouse is molded. This is a random sample from Michigan, model years 64-69, wrecked/put up in 1971-1972, and from a variety of Ford and Mercury cars. The Westinghouse was from a 64 full size Ford. Next time I'm going back with a battery powered drill to remove the screws and a couple empty 5 gallon buckets to haul them out ;D
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I agree that only Westinghouse used the 'Molded' Logo. the Tung-Sol and General Electric Brands used the 'Etched' Logo. I believe the only stipulation from Ford for their Bulb Suppliers was that the Bulbs carry the (FoMoCo) Logo at center, it was not stipulated that they be molded or etched, so the suppliers took it upon themselves to do what they felt like doing. Original Westinghouse Bulbs are extremely rare to find, IMHO. This is my experience from having hundreds of the original Bulbs over the years. I have seen postings from Bob Perkins that suggests he feels the same way I do.
Just harvested 14 out of a junkyard, all smaller (5-1/2"?) versions. 9 are TS, 4 are GE, and 1 Westinghouse. Only the Westinghouse is molded. This is a random sample from Michigan, model years 64-69, wrecked/put up in 1971-1972, and from a variety of Ford and Mercury cars. The Westinghouse was from a 64 full size Ford. Next time I'm going back with a battery powered drill to remove the screws and a couple empty 5 gallon buckets to haul them out ;D
Good Stuff!! I'm guessing that the '69 Mustang folks would like to have some of these??
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............ Next time I'm going back with a battery powered drill to remove the screws and a couple empty 5 gallon buckets to haul them out ;D
Best ones we always hunted for were the bulbs from postal vehicles (dad taught me this trick) since they were almost never used at night the head lights saw little or no use.
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Have any idea what these are going to run?
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Have any idea what these are going to run?
They will be $19.95 each.
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They will be $19.95 each.
Are these available yet?
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We should have our large stock of these in about 10 or so days.
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Here they are folks IN HALOGEN, NO LESS!!!!: http://www.drakeautomotivegroup.com/Store/Product/C0DZ-13007-A.aspx?wid=141
-Guess they took my suggestion after all. GOOD STUFF I SAY!!!!!!
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We should have our large stock of these in about 10 or so days.
Hey Brant, When you get these in how about posting some pictures of the backside of these for us?
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Hey Brant, When you get these in how about posting some pictures of the backside of these for us?
Sorry, I will get to that later today. I posted on the other thread too. I have two of the bulbs that were sent as samples, and our large stock will be arriving this Wednesday.
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Thanks Brant!! No rush.
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- Brant, I wonder why they told you there were no plans for making these in Halogen, then did it ? I personally think its the best of both worlds for those of us that are satisfied with TOP QUALITY reproduction parts!!
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- Brant, I wonder why they told you there were no plans for making these in Halogen, then did it ? I personally think its the best of both worlds for those of us that are satisfied with TOP QUALITY reproduction parts!!
Probably just a simple misunderstanding. Maybe I was even confused. Anyway, here are some pictures:
(http://www.virginiaclassicmustang.com/Assets/ProductImages/er81_a.jpg) (http://www.virginiaclassicmustang.com/65-68-70-73-HEADLIGHT-BULB-FOMOCO-SCRIPT-P2481.aspx#)
(http://www.virginiaclassicmustang.com/Assets/ProductImages/er81_b.jpg) (http://www.virginiaclassicmustang.com/65-68-70-73-HEADLIGHT-BULB-FOMOCO-SCRIPT-P2481.aspx#)
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i was going to buy a couple of sets but not now......that 'V' just doesn't cut it for me.......now had that been left off....different story.
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i was going to buy a couple of sets but not now......that 'V' just doesn't cut it for me.......now had that been left off....different story.
I guess it was just a decision that was made. I personally think it looks pretty good, since it is similar to the original "W". I also think it is better than it not being there at all...no logo at all would really "stand out" to me.
The flutes in the glass also look like the originals-definitely better than the replacement Wagners that had been available and on the market for probably 15-20 years.
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i was going to buy a couple of sets but not now......that 'V' just doesn't cut it for me.......now had that been left off....different story.
Agree 110% with Fred.
-Brant, Nothing personel, and THANKS AGAIN for all you do for all of us!!
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Brant,
I can see, I can see, I can see! I just received a set of the bulbs and it's like night and day! (yes, pun intended!) Oh and the V is fine with me - V for Victory! Thank you Brant for making a great product and +1 for making the little mustang safer to drive!
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Brant,
I can see, I can see, I can see! I just received a set of the bulbs and it's like night and day! (yes, pun intended!) Oh and the V is fine with me - V for Victory! Thank you Brant for making a great product and +1 for making the little mustang safer to drive!
Thanks for the comments. It is always a compromise when a part is reproduced such as this one. Ultimately, Scott Drake made the decision, and it is a neat part. Not everyone would have chosen that particular logo, halogen light, etc., but again, it worked out well. It is really nicer and looks more original (because of the flutes in the glass) than the previous Wagner bulb that used to be available.
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I bet you could sand off the V and polish if it is that important.
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I bet you could sand off the V and polish if it is that important.
No you cant. Its cast into the glass. The outside is smooth already except for the 'Sealed Beam' text and some other bumps.
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Just got mine installed today. They look great if you ask me. The one thing you can notice is the blue tip of the halogen bulb itself. Not sure if that's how it was originally. Well you have to look really closely to see it.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-_ccUUPMJ6qw/T1KT7kQI2oI/AAAAAAAADHQ/MiJLslAwWHQ/s800/DSC02104.JPG)
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Do these absolutely have to be Blue like that? I know that alot of the bulbs being made for newer cars lately seem to be Blue, but I don't think the off the shelf common Halogen's (seald beams) are like that....