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67-68 Radiator support Seal
« on: June 13, 2022, 05:07:24 PM »
In a recent wanted post Kyle showed a pic that demonstrates an original radiator support hood seal versus a Ford service part, C4DZ-15A238-A.



I found one of these seals and although it has more ribs it is the only seal that looks like the original in width, general surface and the longitudinal striations (caused by the die) found on assembly line versions. The Daniel Carpenter version is not even close.

Opinions better placed here than in the wanted ad.
Edit -- There are too many Carpenters
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Re: 67-68 Radiator support Seal
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2022, 06:22:38 PM »
Just to clarify the picture appears to compare the top rear edge where the fold is of two versions of the radiator to hood seal used on some cars

On other rubber items supplied by outside contractors ribs were often used to identify the suppler. Guess it was easier, cheaper or held up better than ink marking

In another ad the seller is offering up another one and posted what I believe he believes is an unrestored original but its on a 69-70 car but that one does appear to have the multiple ribs like the example offered above

Looking through pictures but have only gotten through part of 67's  ::)
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Re: 67-68 Radiator support Seal
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2022, 10:39:40 PM »
I have always paid  attention to the number or style of ribs on hoses I never knew it was for vendor ID.  :)
8F02R218047-  July 18 1968   Dearborn

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Re: 67-68 Radiator support Seal
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2022, 11:01:12 PM »
Glad that we could add a little more to your knowledge base

Kind of what we aim for though as we share finding new things can be a challenge but learned a long time ago so many of us think much of what we've discovered is "common" knowledge when its not


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Re: 67-68 Radiator support Seal
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2022, 11:41:51 PM »
Makes me wonder if this style was used a SJ.
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Re: 67-68 Radiator support Seal
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2022, 12:16:38 AM »
Makes me wonder if this style was used a SJ.

Which one are you referring to?

Can report at this point of going through at least half of my 67 San Jose examples and even 65-66 there the single rib is by far the most found/discovered one. Will report once I get all of them looked at (right now over 200) but might take a while its a busy week for some of us  ;)
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Re: 67-68 Radiator support Seal
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2022, 12:41:41 PM »
The single rib is what I had on my Shelby.
The multi-rib is what I purchased, albeit for a great price.

I wonder if SJ used the multi-rib or if I should shop for the single-rib. The affect on judging is important.
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Re: 67-68 Radiator support Seal
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2022, 02:34:07 PM »
The single rib is what I had on my Shelby.
The multi-rib is what I purchased, albeit for a great price.

I wonder if SJ used the multi-rib or if I should shop for the single-rib. The affect on judging is important.
I suppose it would depend on what class the car was being judged.
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Re: 67-68 Radiator support Seal
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2022, 03:27:25 PM »
Maybe I should take this to the Concours Judging section.

I suspect Concours trailered would allow it and Thoroughbred would not (if no SJ ever had the ribs).
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Re: 67-68 Radiator support Seal
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2022, 07:25:43 PM »
Maybe I should take this to the Concours Judging section.

I suspect Concours trailered would allow it and Thoroughbred would not (if no SJ ever had the ribs).
With my judges cap on that is the way I would see it unless survivor inspections or documentation in the future suggest otherwise.
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Re: 67-68 Radiator support Seal
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2022, 08:02:00 PM »
Maybe I should take this to the Concours Judging section.

I suspect Concours trailered would allow it and Thoroughbred would not (if no SJ ever had the ribs).

Yes guess that is a question for that section since the focus here is more what was original. This discussion at this point is a little premature since its not be determined and not all of the evidence has been presented on the subject but IMHO its not looking good.

But as far as judging why would there be a difference between the details required in Concours and Thoroughbred, in this specific part, when cars entered in either class are both suppose to be a reflection of how the cars were originally built? In either case if might get a mention or a very small deduction since it is only one detail on a larger part.
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Re: 67-68 Radiator support Seal
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2022, 08:53:25 PM »
Answering a question in the Wanted Ad section about flipping it over.
I'm trying to stay on track and keep the discussion here so it can be found later.

The back of both of these (Assy Line and Ford Parts) has about a dozen of these same types of lines or ribs. See pic.
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Re: 67-68 Radiator support Seal
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2022, 09:01:02 PM »
Thanks - kept me from cropping and posting a picture

His question, as I read it , was wondering if the piece could be reversed some way which comes down to the difference you illustrated with the multiple ridges and the difficulty of reshaping the lip that goes over the edge of the radiator support

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