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Offline J_Speegle

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Re: 1968 Standard Rim?
« Reply #30 on: April 26, 2015, 07:35:11 PM »
Hard to say for sure in all of the car photos that were posted, but most look like they may have the running horse logo. That cap is p/n C8ZA-1130-D. The caps with the Ford crest are p/n C8AA-1130-D.

No your correct - forgot that Mustangs got their own dog dish ones in 68
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Re: 1968 Standard Rim?
« Reply #31 on: April 26, 2015, 07:40:47 PM »
No your correct - forgot that Mustangs got their own dog dish ones in 68

Me too until I looked it up!  ::)
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Re: 1968 Standard Rim?
« Reply #32 on: April 27, 2015, 09:40:28 AM »
Just a follow up question on the subject... when did Ford stop using the centre with three tabs to hold the hub cap and the center looks as this picture (like the one with 1963 date code earlier in this post) and when did they start using this other center part with four tabs and another pressing between the lug holes (next picture)? I think this may be in 196...8...?
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Re: 1968 Standard Rim?
« Reply #33 on: April 27, 2015, 11:32:02 AM »
Just a follow up question on the subject... when did Ford stop using the centre with three tabs to hold the hub cap and the center looks as this picture (like the one with 1963 date code earlier in this post) and when did they start using this other center part with four tabs and another pressing between the lug holes (next picture)? I think this may be in 196...8...?
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The images attached with Claes post speak some of what I write below, but not all. The 1st image is a "drum brake" style and the 2nd is the 69?-up disc brake with a larger center hole too (somewhere in the 70's? Ford went to the larger center hole, memory not clear on that note)

I can not give any date, but it seems that by like 1969 Ford had switched out to mostly the "all disc brake" version of the standard wheel. Going off memory, after Ford started selling disc brake vehicles, Ford was using a different wheel for "drum brake" cars and another version for "disc brake" cars.(presumably Mustang also). I am not cross-checking this knowledge with the Master Parts catalog but maybe somebody with easier access to the catalog might be able to confirm what I am writing. (I am writing this from memory). Hollander Interchange is listing for the O.P. of this thread two possible wheels. a 14x5.5 wheel and a 14x6 wheel. Quite possible that is how to identify the "disc" or "drum", I wouldn't say...but I DO REMEMBER disc wheels were different and could be spotted with a trained eye. Since the O.P. has "drum brakes" I would almost assume he should have the 14x5.5 wheels.

The 4-tab type would likely be one of those indicators, and the main other indicator (using my old "junkyard knowledge") was the curving between where the dog dish hubcap locks onto the tabs & where the center of the wheel meets up to the outer ring of the wheel. Disc brake versions were more "flat" in that area while drum brake versions were more a"rounded" look. Disc wheels would fit onto drum cars, but not vice-versa. Later versions would fit all and eventually, Ford switched out to a larger center hole that would also fit onto Mopar products. (There, I now purged some of that "useless knowledge" that was locked up in the vault/brain) Hopefully this could help spur another member to give the the Original Poster in this thread a better image of the exact wheel he is looking for. I think the wheel cover issue has been nailed down already but Yes, I remember the 68 Mustangs with their own version of the dog dish too and waited out on that reply.
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Re: 1968 Standard Rim?
« Reply #34 on: April 27, 2015, 03:44:54 PM »
Just a follow up question on the subject... when did Ford stop using the centre with three tabs to hold the hub cap and the center looks as this picture (like the one with 1963 date code earlier in this post) and when did they start using this other center part with four tabs and another pressing between the lug holes (next picture)?

Change (on how the small cap is retainer to the center of the wheel) came with the 68 Production or very close to it from what I'm seeing
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Re: 1968 Standard Rim?
« Reply #35 on: February 22, 2019, 11:08:47 AM »
Sorry to (almost) duplicate the 1968 Dearborn standard rims thread as the one here http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=11028.0

My c-code coupe doesn't have anything special listed in the Marti report. I bought the car with an aftermarket Cragar s/s chromed 14", which I believe were not original to the car.

No invoice, other sales documents or build sheet available for the car. Attached is the Marti report.
I assume I should put the steel 14", 5x 4.5" rims, painted body color? What is the rim design - is it like in the pic attached? I don't want to end up trying to fit a mazda rim on my mustang ;)

Hubcaps as well? Which ones?

C6OZ-1130-*
C7ZZ-1130-E
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C8OZ-1130-G
C8ZZ-1130-*

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Re: 1968 Standard Rim?
« Reply #36 on: February 22, 2019, 05:10:41 PM »
Yes if the Marti report is complete and accurate (see no reason to question) it would indicate the standard/basic wheel and hubcap is what it arrived equipped with to the dealership

A similar car can be viewed in the Jan? 68 San Jose C code bench seat coupe - Unrestored Picture Thread located in the Unrestored picture section of the site. Though the buyer of that car originally got the hubcaps changed at the dealership before they purchased the car so you end up with body color wheels with full wheel covers. A picture of the spare is shown below







As discussed in the other thread the small diameter "dog dish" hub caps would be what it arrived with. Often in the trunk of the car for transport

Will be joining this thread with the earlier
« Last Edit: February 22, 2019, 05:12:47 PM by J_Speegle »
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Re: 1968 Standard Rim?
« Reply #37 on: February 22, 2019, 06:06:13 PM »
Although Richard stated it, I'll restate that the major change from pre-68 to 68-up are the built in lugs or bumps that hold the dog dish cap on.
67 and earlier had the three lugs or bumps.
68 and later had the 4 lugs or bumps.

Once you see this it's real easy to thin the herd.
Yes, there are many more details to look for, but this cuts the field down by a lot.
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Re: 1968 Standard Rim?
« Reply #38 on: February 25, 2019, 10:33:27 AM »
Bill, those lugs/ bumps you refer to, are those marked in the pic?

Do you know more technical details of the rim - the width and the offset (ET)?

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Re: 1968 Standard Rim?
« Reply #39 on: February 25, 2019, 03:13:06 PM »
I'm headed out to give Fedex a lot of money to ship my interior quarter panels.

Yes, those are the hub cap lugs or bumps. Up through 67 there are three. 68 and up has four.
Be aware that are different sizes of the "circle" in which the lugs are stamped.

You can tell those are K/H wheels quite easily as the area between each one of the lug bolt holes is raised and rounded. I believe K/H was still a wheel vendor during this time.

Others can help with size ... gotta run.
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Re: 1968 Standard Rim?
« Reply #40 on: February 25, 2019, 03:24:41 PM »
Bill, those lugs/ bumps you refer to, are those marked in the pic?

A comparison. 68-up on the lower right




Do you know more technical details of the rim - the width and the offset (ET)?


Have you looked in a copy of MPC?   From those descriptions and specifications we can confirm the data
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Re: 1968 Standard Rim?
« Reply #41 on: February 26, 2019, 01:10:44 PM »
According to the 60-68 MPC, 68 is different than preceding years in that only three callouts are made for standard wheels.
6 cyl:                   14x5 stamped C8DA-1007-AW or BW
(no designation):  14x5 stamped C8OA-1007-EW, FW, GW or HW
(no designation):  14x6 stamped C8ZA-1007-AW, BW or CW

All the other wheels listed are styled steel or chrome.

It appears (opinion rather than hard fact) that Ford decided that one wheel for drum of disc would cut down on number of items in inventory since disc or drum is not noted.
I also suspect that the wider wheel is for the optional, wider tires.

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