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Re: 67 Tilt Away Column Vacuum Canister Discussion
« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2020, 03:30:05 PM »
Can the vacuum release valve be taken apart and repaired?

What is the usual failure?
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Re: 67 Tilt Away Column Discussion
« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2020, 04:02:39 PM »

Still looking for ideas on the LOWER black insulator...

Although Marty mentioned a potential running change or production change at the steering box end of the column (inside engine bay) my request for the "LOWER black insulator" is asking for recommendations on material used between the steering column LOWER U-shaped bracket to the steering column tube (under the dash). Pictures suggest this to be black in color. Is it a black plastic or a black gasket/rubber material?

Richard : To avoid confusion, particularly for those not familiar with 1967 Tilt Columns, I thought that I would attempt to clarify a couple of items.

The 1967 Tilt Column, like the non-Tilt Columns, has one bracket that attaches the Steering Column to the bottom of the dash. This Bracket consists of two pieces ; an upper (3676) and a lower (3668) piece. Each of these pieces has an "insert" between the piece and the Steering Column. The two Bracket pieces can easily be seen in the Illustration shown from the 1960-68 MPC (copy attached). In addition, if you zoom in you can see part of the "insert" in the lower bracket. To better show the inserts, I have also attached an illustration from a non-tilt column that generically shows both the upper and lower "inserts".

John has provided what he found (a Formica-like material) as the "insert" in the upper piece of the Bracket, and you are trying to find out if the "insert" in the lower piece of the Bracket is the same material, or some different material, correct ?

Now that any confusion is hopefully explained in regard to the Bracket, I must add to additional confusion.
In checking my resources to find out if any noted the "inserts" themselves, I ran across some interesting, yet confusing items.
The 1967 only MPC (printed January, 1967), shows the Lower piece of the Bracket to be Part Number C7ZZ-3688-A, and the Upper Part to be Part Number C7ZZ-3676-A, both for the Tilt Column Only (just as a matter of reference the parts for a non-Tilt Column are shown as Part Numbers C0DF-3668-BP, and C0DF-3676-AP).

The 1960-68 MPC (appropriate pages printed June, 1968) shows that the Lower piece of the Bracket is still Part Number C7ZZ-3668-A, but now is not listed for "Tilt only". The Upper part of the Bracket is still listed as Part Number C7ZZ-3676-A for the Tilt Column, and for non-Tilt Columns, Part Number C5ZZ-3678-B is shown. (interestingly, in checking the 1967, 68 and 69 OSI books, I found no reference where the C0DF-3676-AP was replaced by the C5ZZ-3678-B).

Finally, in looking at the 1965-72 MPC (printed May, 1975), neither the Lower, nor the Upper Bracket pieces are shown for 1967 Tilt Columns. In checking the OSI books again, sure enough, some time between January of 1972 and July of 1974, both the Upper and Lower Bracket pieces were deemed "NR" (obsolete).

While going through all of these did not provide any insight on the "inserts", it did provide some interesting information, and unfortunately more questions, on the Bracket pieces.

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Re: 67 Tilt Away Column Discussion
« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2020, 04:12:56 PM »
Can the vacuum release valve be taken apart and repaired?

What is the usual failure?

Yes, very easily. The failure point is a form of leather seal. If not torn, it can usually be softened and lubed again.
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Re: 67 Tilt Away Column Discussion
« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2020, 04:17:04 PM »
Richard : To avoid confusion, particularly for those not familiar with 1967 Tilt Columns, I thought that I would attempt to clarify a couple of items.

The 1967 Tilt Column, like the non-Tilt Columns, has one bracket that attaches the Steering Column to the bottom of the dash. This Bracket consists of two pieces ; an upper (3676) and a lower (3668) piece....

...John has provided what he found (a Formica-like material) as the "insert" in the upper piece of the Bracket, and you are trying to find out if the "insert" in the lower piece of the Bracket is the same material, or some different material, correct ?
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Bob

Thanks for the research Bob, yes, I am looking for information on the correct material and dimensions for the lower bracket insulator.

I did make the upper out of white/brown gasket material.

The lower, for now at least, has been made from a semi-gloss black paint can lid. FWIW, It looks perfect and fits perfectly too!

« Last Edit: June 30, 2020, 04:21:53 PM by 67gtasanjose »
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Re: 67 Tilt Away Column Discussion
« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2020, 04:51:08 PM »
Yes, very easily. The failure point is a form of leather seal. If not torn, it can usually be softened and lubed again.

+1 just did one from a 67 T-Bird I picked 2 weeks ago.  Did not move when vacuum was applied.  Took apart and found that there was debris in there and it was desert dry.  Took a good cleaning followed by some lube and a few manual cycles to seal up and move with vacuum with repeatability.   I’ve also seen broken springs due to rust corrosion.
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Re: 67 Tilt Away Column Discussion
« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2020, 08:29:45 PM »
Richard, I'm a little confused about your term "lower" bracket insulator.  When installed, the ones painted black are on top (upper) whilst the color keyed ones are on the bottom (lower).  See the attached. Do you need any more information?

Also on the upper (black) clamp, I'll stick with my earlier description of a thin laminate (think a very thin piece of Formica).  I'll probably mic it tomorrow.  As you can see from the pic is covers the whole surface, no hang over.

The lower clamp has a piece of rubber held on with black glue.

These are all identical to my San Jose tilt-away clamps also.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2020, 08:32:39 PM by 67gta289 »
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Re: 67 Tilt Away Column Discussion
« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2020, 08:10:47 AM »
Richard, I'm a little confused about your term "lower" bracket insulator...
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The lower clamp has a piece of rubber held on with black glue.



Sorry for confusion...
Picture attached. Whatever WAS on mine, wasn't there at time of installation. As mentioned in another reply, I found a (temporary) substitution.
Richard Urch

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Re: 67 Tilt Away Column Discussion
« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2020, 08:27:44 AM »
Got it.

For record, a flexible piece of black rubber about 3/32" thick.  Held on with a liberal amount of black glue.

I noted a V-notch cut in the rubber on all of the examples I have.
John
67 289 GTA Dec 20 1966 San Jose
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