1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year > 1966 Mustang
65/66 - Standard Interior Automatic Trans, Disc Brake Pad & Gas Pedal?
67gtasanjose:
--- Quote from: Morsel on June 23, 2017, 06:17:20 PM ---Thanks Jeff...
Looking at those part numbers, it looks to be the same part as the ones with the chrome trim rings. Is the only difference that you just remove the trim rings and your good to go? I always thought on these the chrome trim rings sort of helps the rubber pad stay on the brake pad, so I thought it would be an entirely different part... more like the early 64 1/2-65 drum brake pad without the indent for the chrome trim ring.
Thanks,
Jason
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You could always offer the trim, if not needed, to others on the forum...I for one, would have interest ;)
jwc66k:
Jason,
If you're asking if Ford had a brake pad without any provisions for a trim "ring", and one with, the answer is yes. Originally, there were no trim "rings" used. Then came deluxe interiors, GT equipment, power brakes and the pad was different for those options. This applied to both automatic transmission and manual transmissions. What happened in 1966 (or 65 for that matter) to the pad design I don't know. Was the same one used for "with" and "without" trim on the assembly line? What has been seen is the service parts applied to many vehicles and options. It is quite possible that the service pad for the trim ring was the same as for without. When installed, the regular customer would not know or care, and there was one less item to be kept in inventory.
I have a brake trim ring on my 66 GT K Fastback. The pad says "disc". I have a brake trim ring on my 66 Hardtop that I added. The pad is blank.
Jim
Morsel:
--- Quote from: jwc66k on June 23, 2017, 08:26:08 PM ---Jason,
If you're asking if Ford had a brake pad without any provisions for a trim "ring", and one with, the answer is yes. Originally, there were no trim "rings" used. Then came deluxe interiors, GT equipment, power brakes and the pad was different for those options. This applied to both automatic transmission and manual transmissions. What happened in 1966 (or 65 for that matter) to the pad design I don't know. Was the same one used for "with" and "without" trim on the assembly line? What has been seen is the service parts applied to many vehicles and options. It is quite possible that the service pad for the trim ring was the same as for without. When installed, the regular customer would not know or care, and there was one less item to be kept in inventory.
I have a brake trim ring on my 66 GT K Fastback. The pad says "disc". I have a brake trim ring on my 66 Hardtop that I added. The pad is blank.
Jim
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Thanks Jim. I guess I'm asking the question because I was told I would get points deducted for having the trim rings on my peddles in a standard interior car, so I really just wanted the correct parts (like everything else ;)
So I guess there are a few possibilities then for a 66 GT K-Code automatic with standard interior like my car, and the question is which one would it have been...
1) Was an "auto" disc brake pad with the "Disc" chrome ring in the center used for a car like mine and did they just leave the chrome outer ring on it for ease at the plant and then use a chrome trim ring on the gas pedal as well so it matched?
2) Was it the same parts as above, but they just didn't add the outer chrome trim ring on both pedals?
3) Or were they entirely different parts that didn't have the indent for the outer chrome trim ring like the older parts (which is sounding unlikely now since no one seems to know, I sure didn't find anything searching around) especially with the "Disc" center chrome... which like you said, would they have made an extra peddle pad for that, doubtful by this point in the Mustangs assembly life I would think.
Jason
Scott302:
The parts are different as are the part numbers. The numbers listed above are for the pads and pedal used with the trim rings. I am not around my early books but I'll try to find the numbers Monday. Some of the brake pedal pads are reproduced in the standard style but the gas pedal is not. The clutch pedal, brake pedal w/manual trans & disc brakes and the pads for drums brake with either trans are currently available.
Regards,
Scott
Morsel:
I reached out to a friend from the HiPo forum who has great knowledge about original and NOS parts. This is what he had to say specifically about 1966 standard interior cars pedals and some of the history of the changes (which is basically what Jim was eluding to)
"The issue with the indentation for the trim rings on the pedals only applies to 1965 cars produced before around March of 1965. This was when Ford first introduced the luxury décor group (pony interior) which used those rings. All pedals built after that time have the indentation for the trim ring so that Ford only had to stock one type of pedal pad. All of the trim rings, including for the gas pedal were sold as separate items. Somewhere around 1967 Ford decided to just add the trim rings to all replacement gas pedals making the separately available trim ring a useless item. I have however seen them for sale very recently as a separate piece. Being as you have a standard interior 66 car, all that is necessary is to remove the trim ring from the gas pedal to be correct. Also you will need to remove the trim ring from the brake pedal pad. The really tough one is for people with earlier production 1965 cars that are not supposed to have the indentation as those are pretty much all gone as NOS with only some decent used ones around if you are lucky. The only NOS brake pedal pads without the indentation that I have seen and actually stock are for manual transmission drum brakes. Fortunately for you the fix is easy."
So it sounds like I've received my answer, but wanted to share this info for future reference.
Thanks everyone,
Jason
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