Topic: '67 Trunk courtesy lights

[196667Bob]

Unfortunately, at least until Spring, I can't address whether the Trunk Light wire is taped ONTO, or INTO the taillight harness. My '67 is hibernating for the Winter at its Southern Colorado Vacation/ Retirement house, almost 700 miles away. I will check out the remainder of the harness when we go back and post my findings.
For now, there are a couple of things that I can address. The trunk light wire is taped TO the taillight harness at the front of the rear inner fender well. In front of that, I'll need to check later. My wire is black, and appears to have a heavy insulation on it; it does not appear to have the woven cloth covering that John's example has (although it could be missing on my exposed wire and may show up when I investigate the complete harness). Marty, what is your wire like ?
Finally, and this is kind of interesting, in John's example from the 7F01C129xxx, note that the end has both the female bullet connector for the wire from the Trunk Light socket, and a male bullet pigtail. Mine only has the female bullet connector. What about yours Marty ?
As noted before, the Assembly Manual isn't of much help here. It does, however, show the wire as being covered with the woven cloth and taped every 12", but does not show any kind of connector, much less pigtails.
Initially, I thought this might be a Plant variation, but John's example is from Dearborn, which is where mine was built. So that leaves a possible "early versus late possibility. Mine was built 01/31/67, which is still considered early (pre 02/02/67). John, do you know the build date on the  harness from the 7F01C129xxx ? And Marty, at which Plant was yours built ?
I guess that's about all I can "muddy up" for now.

Bob

[ruppstang]

My 11-04-66 SJ convertible has the single end with a black wire with the cloth braid.
Marty

[rodster]

I did catch that, and the theory is valid.  I agree that we need more samples.

Feb 7th Dearborn Conv example, no trunk light.  It doesn't  have the under hood light or Courtesy Light option.

[ruppstang]

Like Bob's car, my Feb 7th Dearborn Conv has the wire but no trunk light.  It doesn't  have the under hood light or Courtesy Light option.

That is not the trunk light wire. Black with blue stripe is the courtesy light circuit.

[67gtasanjose]

... in John's example from the 7F01C129xxx, note that the end has both the female bullet connector for the wire from the Trunk Light socket, and a male bullet pigtail. Mine only has the female bullet connector.

Bob

Bob M., Is it possible you are confusing the FRONT connectors with the REAR connection?

The front connectors are both a male and female, only at the FRONT end of this option's "single-wire" harness. The male bullet is connected to the 12v dome lamp circuit (under the dash, near the A-pillar) into the underdash (green/yellow)  connector of the underdash harness. The "female" connector is then simply repeated to leave the otherwise "single" under-dash harbness connector, available for other/another option(s) (e.g. Tilt-away column?).

The REAR connector on John's example is ONLY a female bullet connector. In the overview picture John provided (with the red circles), this may be a little difficult to see, but near the rear connector, shown as being 5 inches away from the end of the female bullet connector, is the clip (that John gratiously provided a few close-up shots of with the tape measure) and that clip holds that trunk light wire to the  trunk lid, near the trunk hinge.

I also think that in both Roster's convertible & Bob's convertible, that this wire that is present as a part of the tailight harness like the(*edit, added text: black/blue) one Rodster's picture looks to me as being, that it would(*edited)NOT be long enough to reach loosely and yet be capable to tuck it into the hole that is in the lower left side of the trunk lid. I say this because if indeed this wire is the optional trunk light wire with a 12v 'constant' supply, that both Bob, and now Rod have mentioned, that I find it unlikely that Ford would have provided such a long section of wire simply "stubbed off", at least  without taping it down to the tailight harness  if NOT used. Something here is NOT adding up yet in my way of thinking.

[ruppstang]

As I said above the black with blue stripe wire is not a trunk light wire, it used to power the courtesy-dome light in a coupe and not used in a convertible. 

[67gtasanjose]

As I said above the black with blue stripe wire is not a trunk light wire, it used to power the courtesy-dome light in a coupe and not used in a convertible.

Sorry for confusion, I just re-read what I wrote earlier and my typing didn't reflect my thoughts (it was very early this morning). I edited my response to better match my actual thoughts.

It looks like I'm with you Marty, that wire Rod posted looks black with a blue tracer but I now wonder if Bob M.'s wire is like Rod's wire. Functionally, it could possibly be used (though it might need connected differently up front) but Concours use of a black/blue wire for a trunk light would be inaccurate.

Richard

[196667Bob]

Richard : I believe you are absolutely correct ! I went back and looked at John's pictures, and I was looking at the front end instead of the rear. Good catch. I'll blame that on my being left handed and looking at things "backwards". Thanks for straightening things out. I feel better now about that which I have now.

Bob

[rodster]

As I said above the black with blue stripe wire is not a trunk light wire, it used to power the courtesy-dome light in a coupe and not used in a convertible.

Got it now I think.    Sorry for the confusion, I modified my previous post so it's is just an example of what is found on a Dearborn conv without the option.

[196667Bob]

Richard : Apparently with both sent our most recent replies at the same time, so I didn't see yours until after I posted mine.

I too, wondered about my wire ,whether it was solid black, or black with a blue stripe like "rods". Of course the pictures I have don't clearly show one way or the other. Fortunately, my wife is still at our Colorado place, where my '67 is. When I talk with her today, I'll specifically have her check this, and "report back" later. Do I dare say "great minds think alike" ?

Bob

[196667Bob]

Richard : Yes, the wire over my wheel well is, in fact, just like rod's; Black with a Blue stripe (dome light, courtesy lights, etc). So, based on that, it appears that the same harness was used for coupes, fastbacks and convertibles.; the only difference being that on convertibles, the wire wasn't hooked up to anything, it just lay there. Make sense ?

This makes me curious then;

John : on your "layout" picture of the whole harness, end to end, the wire that has a connector (and is not circled in red) and looks like it comes out of the harness at the same point as the "correct" trunk light wire, is it Black with a Blue stripe ? I'd be surprised if it's not.

Thanks to all for getting to the bottom of this issue.

Bob

[67gtasanjose]

I brought some images of the trunk & hood light option taken from Jeff's recent post of a late build NJ 67 Unrestored, low mileage GT. They may "shed some light"   onto a few more details...










A great look at the clips typically found on the RH strut brace



NOTE: Being a "LATE BUILD", you may notice, the bottom of the hood has NO GROMMET (nor at the top but not in images) and the rolled edges in the hole(s) where the wire penetrates the hood inner structure. Discussed in other threads, this "rolled edge" is a feature found on all 68 hoods and the later 67 hoods. (Very early 67 hoods actually had NO HOLE and any turn signal lamp or underhood lamp wiring did not penetrate the hood but was instead affixed to the hood reinforcement structure with similar (same) clips as the mid-year hood uses across the upper reinforcement surrounding the turn signal lamp area (see pictures earlier in this thread of these clips)

Also, another example of the (metal?) clips used to secure the wiring to the right hand shock tower brace.

[67gta289]

And then there is the trunk

[67gtasanjose]

Closest reproduction I found in a short time looking is AMK. Looking at page 144 of the AMK catalog (bottom left), item B-10723 gets you a pair for $4

So, is it typical to find 2 or typical to have 3 on an original car?

*typo correction 9/8/22

[67gta289]

Richard, that looks like a good match.  The number 372303 I found used on the 65 Mustang in the exact same place, qty 2, on the attached drawing.  I found it used in four different wiring related applications in the 60-68 MPC, with only the same 65 Mustang reference, the others were other vehicle types.

The 65 drawing has the -S suffix, but the same application in the 68 MPC was the -100.  I found the -S as part of a back up lamp kit for a 63 Falcon.

Based on what I've seen for this application, I would get the -S.  As for quantity, the car that I stripped only had one, but that is obviously not enough.  The 65 drawing shows 2, the low mile NJ car had 3.   Certainly we should be able to get 1 or more offerings on this.