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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1968 Mustang => Topic started by: bullitt68 on June 25, 2023, 03:25:41 PM
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I had posted in my build thread and it was suggested that I make a general post about the 1968 Red Dye Fasteners topic. I have found and confirmed some information about which fasteners got red dye and some of the specific details, but I still have some fasteners that I have not confirmed 100%. Perhaps there is someone else who has already gone through this process and can share their findings or what they have done. I would assume that someone who had their 68 judged may have already been through this process, perhaps after the fact, which is what I am trying to avoid. Wile I have applied red dye to some fasteners, I am not sure ig the application id correct.
Hoping someone out there can point me in the right direction or set me on the path for success. Not sure If I missed anything. Obviously the read shock mount plates use red dye nuts as well, but I figure everyone already knows that, so I didn't bother posting a photo.
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Here is a collection Hardware with S-100 and S-101 Finish from the Jim Osborne Chassis and Interior Manuals
For a Mustang GT-8 Cylinders?Disc Brakes. The Osborne manuals are not specific to plants.
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Qty Description Reference
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4 Nuts on Upper Control Arm Shaft Chassis Manual Page 30
4 Spindle Nuts on Upper and Lower Ball Joints Chassis Manual Page 30
4 Strut Rod nuts at Lower Control Arm Chassis Manual Page 30
4 Strut Rod nuts at Bushing Forward and Aft Chassis Manual Page 30
4 Upper and Lower Caliper Bolts Chassis Manual Page 30
2 Bolts and Nuts on Forward end of Leaf Spring Chassis Manual Page 34
8 Nuts on Rear Axle U-Bolts Chassis Manual Page 34
2 Bolts attaching Flexible Brake Hose to Caliper Chassis Manual Page 37
4 Clips attaching Brake hardline to Floor pan Chassis Manual Page 37
2 Nuts attaching Brake Proportioning Valve Chassis Manual Page 37
1 Adjusting Nut for Emergency Brake Cable Chassis Manual Page 39
2 Nuts on Firewall attaching Emergency Brake Cable Pulley Chassis Manual Page 39
3 Spring Clips on Emergency Brake Cable Chassis Manual Page 39
1 Spring Clip on Brake Pedal Rod Chassis Manual Page 45
4 Exhaust Manifold Studs at H-Pipe Chassis Manual Page 60/61
2 Idler Arm Attaching Bolts and Nuts Chassis Manual Page 66
1 Nut attaching Pittman Arm to Steering Box Chassis Manual Page 66
3 Bolts attaching Steering Box to Frame Chassis Manual Page 66
1 Clamp Bolt on Input Shaft to Steering Box Chassis Manual Page 68
2 Nuts on Steering Flex Coupling Chassis Manual Page 68
1 Nut attaching Steering Wheel to Steering Shaft Chassis Manual Page 68
2 Front Seat Belt Bolts Outboard Interior Manual Page 35
2 Front Seat Belt Washers/Spacers Outboard Interior Manual Page 35
2 Front Seat Belt Bolts at Driveshaft Tunnel Interior Manual Page 36
4 Front Seat Belt Inboard Washers/Spacers at Driveshaft Tunnel Interior Manual Page 36
4 Rear Seat Belt Bolts and Washers/Spacers Interior Manual Page 45
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Here is photos of a low mileage June built San Jose 68 Mustang I took tonight. You can see that what we would think is typical is not typical on alot of these fasteners. I especially have never seen camber bolts with red dye on them like in the photos here so not sure I would reproduce that on another car unless we have more examples from that time period.... or if that fails at least from any time period. Seems uncommon to me as I have not seen it on other cars.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53002057859_983f0c097c_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oKBpeM)20230625_204242 (https://flic.kr/p/2oKBpeM) by Marcus Anghel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/154714213@N02/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53002287650_85e3b7c9eb_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oKCzxG)20230625_204551 (https://flic.kr/p/2oKCzxG) by Marcus Anghel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/154714213@N02/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53001909336_088418d0e6_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oKAD63)20230625_204641 (https://flic.kr/p/2oKAD63) by Marcus Anghel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/154714213@N02/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53001314582_81755799d9_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oKxAhE)20230625_204705 (https://flic.kr/p/2oKxAhE) by Marcus Anghel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/154714213@N02/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53001314577_48185d8454_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oKxAhz)20230625_204722 (https://flic.kr/p/2oKxAhz) by Marcus Anghel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/154714213@N02/), on Flickr
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Here is a collection Hardware with S-100 and S-101 Finish from the Jim Osborne Chassis and Interior Manuals
For a Mustang GT-8 Cylinders?Disc Brakes. The Osborne manuals are not specific to plants.....
For others it would help if we knew when those pages were completed. Not everyone has every Assembly manual for every year.
See a couple in the list I don't recognize.
See a couple that were not covered in your list but guess we will work through this all as time passes
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Here is a collection Hardware with S-100 and S-101 Finish from the Jim Osborne Chassis and Interior Manuals
For a Mustang GT-8 Cylinders?Disc Brakes. The Osborne manuals are not specific to plants.
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Qty Description Reference
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4 Nuts on Upper Control Arm Shaft Chassis Manual Page 30
4 Spindle Nuts on Upper and Lower Ball Joints Chassis Manual Page 30
4 Strut Rod nuts at Lower Control Arm Chassis Manual Page 30
4 Strut Rod nuts at Bushing Forward and Aft Chassis Manual Page 30
4 Upper and Lower Caliper Bolts Chassis Manual Page 30
2 Bolts and Nuts on Forward end of Leaf Spring Chassis Manual Page 34
8 Nuts on Rear Axle U-Bolts Chassis Manual Page 34
2 Bolts attaching Flexible Brake Hose to Caliper Chassis Manual Page 37
4 Clips attaching Brake hardline to Floor pan Chassis Manual Page 37
2 Nuts attaching Brake Proportioning Valve Chassis Manual Page 37
1 Adjusting Nut for Emergency Brake Cable Chassis Manual Page 39
2 Nuts on Firewall attaching Emergency Brake Cable Pulley Chassis Manual Page 39
3 Spring Clips on Emergency Brake Cable Chassis Manual Page 39
1 Spring Clip on Brake Pedal Rod Chassis Manual Page 45
4 Exhaust Manifold Studs at H-Pipe Chassis Manual Page 60/61
2 Idler Arm Attaching Bolts and Nuts Chassis Manual Page 66
1 Nut attaching Pittman Arm to Steering Box Chassis Manual Page 66
3 Bolts attaching Steering Box to Frame Chassis Manual Page 66
1 Clamp Bolt on Input Shaft to Steering Box Chassis Manual Page 68
2 Nuts on Steering Flex Coupling Chassis Manual Page 68
1 Nut attaching Steering Wheel to Steering Shaft Chassis Manual Page 68
2 Front Seat Belt Bolts Outboard Interior Manual Page 35
2 Front Seat Belt Washers/Spacers Outboard Interior Manual Page 35
2 Front Seat Belt Bolts at Driveshaft Tunnel Interior Manual Page 36
4 Front Seat Belt Inboard Washers/Spacers at Driveshaft Tunnel Interior Manual Page 36
4 Rear Seat Belt Bolts and Washers/Spacers Interior Manual Page 45
Thanks Keith. I noted all those fasteners from the Osbourne manual as well and I interpreted S-100 as red dye, so I applied the red dye to all those fasteners. However now I am second guessing myself. Did you restore a 68 using this list?
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Here is photos of a low mileage June built San Jose 68 Mustang I took tonight. You can see that what we would think is typical is not typical on alot of these fasteners. I especially have never seen camber bolts with red dye on them like in the photos here so not sure I would reproduce that on another car unless we have more examples from that time period.... or if that fails at least from any time period. Seems uncommon to me as I have not seen it on other cars.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53002057859_983f0c097c_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oKBpeM)20230625_204242 (https://flic.kr/p/2oKBpeM) by Marcus Anghel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/154714213@N02/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53002287650_85e3b7c9eb_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oKCzxG)20230625_204551 (https://flic.kr/p/2oKCzxG) by Marcus Anghel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/154714213@N02/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53001909336_088418d0e6_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oKAD63)20230625_204641 (https://flic.kr/p/2oKAD63) by Marcus Anghel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/154714213@N02/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53001314582_81755799d9_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oKxAhE)20230625_204705 (https://flic.kr/p/2oKxAhE) by Marcus Anghel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/154714213@N02/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53001314577_48185d8454_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oKxAhz)20230625_204722 (https://flic.kr/p/2oKxAhz) by Marcus Anghel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/154714213@N02/), on Flickr
Thanks Marcus I appreciate it. Like I was telling Keith who posted the list of S-100 fasteners. I went by the manual and applied the red dye to all those fasteners as per my original photos. Just confirming that you are saying that perhaps red dye should not be applied to all those fasteners?
Unfortunately my car was semi restored when I got it, so I didn't see any red dye on any fasteners other than the rear fold down rear seat and front seat. Can you confirm any other fasteners that should get the red dye?
I would love to know so I can continue putting my car together and remove any dye that does not belong. If I go by your photos, then none of the engine bay/suspension/steering fasteners should have dye applied.
What would a judge think if he saw all the red dye, would there be deductions.
Just curious what the consensus is as I have not seen much conversation about it on the forum and most people I ask don't seem to know either.
FYI I saw a very low mile 1969 GT at MCACN and took a lot of photos and did notice red dye applied to some fasteners. Just not sure how much difference there was between 68 & 69 in regards to the safety dye on fasteners.
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The list is from the 68 Assembly manual. I restored my 68 CJ using red machinist dye and this list because it is the only documentation, I had it the time (2002). The way Ford engineered the car and the way it came off the line could be different.
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I am a MCA 67-68 gold card judge. I would be slow to deduct for red dye missing because just as you have seen in this thread there is uncertainty in this matter. The benefit of doubt always goes to the car. I would deduct for poorly done dye or dye on things that were inappropriate. I would follow the unrestored car pictures near your production date that was offered to you.
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+1 Marty, I am not sure if a lot of the cars I have judged even had the red dye hardware. In the future I will look for red dye hardware, but it will only be noted on the judging sheet.
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I am a MCA 67-68 gold card judge. I would be slow to deduct for red dye missing because just as you have seen in this thread there is uncertainty in this matter. The benefit of doubt always goes to the car. I would deduct for poorly done dye or dye on things that were inappropriate. I would follow the unrestored car pictures near your production date that was offered to you.
+1 . There are fasteners that are more prone to have the safety dye typically then others . The thing that can happen during a restoration that would be a possible deduction more times then not is as Marty said about poorly done dye. Overdoing it making it too bright ,using the wrong product or using the dye over the wrong underlying finish are some of the issues. The steering coupler star bolt seen in your previous restored pictures is just such a example of too bright . The bolt was zinc phosphate and then thin dye applied. I will typically slosh the bolt around in a jar or bottle of the dye and take it out to dry. Zinc phosphate bolts dipped in dye and zinc dichromate or bright zinc plated bolts dipped in dye have distinct different looks.
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I was under the impression that the "red" was a dye, not a paint. The referenced hardware in many of the pictures are painted.
Here is a collection Hardware with S-100 and S-101 Finish from the Jim Osborne Chassis and Interior Manuals
You may be correct, but by the definitions in the "AMK Guide to Ford Fasteners, 1955-73", and other sources, -S100 and up, are not a specific finish but are documented on the actual hardware drawing (which unfortunately, are seldom seen).
Jim
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The list is from the 68 Assembly manual. I restored my 68 CJ using red machinist dye and this list because it is the only documentation, I had it the time (2002). The way Ford engineered the car and the way it came off the line could be different.
Thanks Keith do you have any photos of any examples?
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I am a MCA 67-68 gold card judge. I would be slow to deduct for red dye missing because just as you have seen in this thread there is uncertainty in this matter. The benefit of doubt always goes to the car. I would deduct for poorly done dye or dye on things that were inappropriate. I would follow the unrestored car pictures near your production date that was offered to you.
Thanks Marty I will rethink my dye application and revise accordingly
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+1 . There are fasteners that are more prone to have the safety dye typically then others . The thing that can happen during a restoration that would be a possible deduction more times then not is as Marty said about poorly done dye. Overdoing it making it too bright ,using the wrong product or using the dye over the wrong underlying finish are some of the issues. The steering coupler star bolt seen in your previous restored pictures is just such a example of too bright . The bolt was zinc phosphate and then thin dye applied. I will typically slosh the bolt around in a jar or bottle of the dye and take it out to dry. Zinc phosphate bolts dipped in dye and zinc dichromate or bright zinc plated bolts dipped in dye have distinct different looks.
Thanks Bob great advice. I will go back and refinish the fasteners in question. I think the underlying finish is correct on the fasteners as I used the spread sheets (Jims) for reference.
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I was under the impression that the "red" was a dye, not a paint. The referenced hardware in many of the pictures are painted. You may be correct, but by the definitions in the "AMK Guide to Ford Fasteners, 1955-73", and other sources, -S100 and up, are not a specific finish but are documented on the actual hardware drawing (which unfortunately, are seldom seen).
Jim
Where do I find the AMK Guide to Ford Fasteners, 1955-73?
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The list is from the 68 Assembly manual. I restored my 68 CJ using red machinist dye and this list because it is the only documentation, I had it the time (2002). The way Ford engineered the car and the way it came off the line could be different.
Where can one acquire red machinist dye?
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Where can one acquire red machinist dye?
This gives the expected look when used properly. https://www.amazon.com/Dykem-04968-Layout-Fluid-Brush/dp/B007464BQM/ref=sr_1_8
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Great thanks
This gives the expected look when used properly. https://www.amazon.com/Dykem-04968-Layout-Fluid-Brush/dp/B007464BQM/ref=sr_1_8 (https://www.amazon.com/Dykem-04968-Layout-Fluid-Brush/dp/B007464BQM/ref=sr_1_8)
Great thanks Bob appreciate it. So final question is are all of the fasteners I coloured correct? I will reapply with the dye, just want to know if there are any I should not dye.
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Where do I find the AMK Guide to Ford Fasteners, 1955-73?
National Parts Depot https://www.npdlink.com/ Virginia Classic Mustang https://www.virginiaclassicmustang.com/ or AMK itself https://www.amkproducts.com/
Try a search engine like duckduckgo.com to get a stock number. Use "amk products guide to ford fasteneres".
(Note: NPD and Virginia are members of this forum.)
Jim
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I am of the opinion that the fasteners which have the red dye are those which were critical to the safety of the occupants. Also I think we must be careful and know the actual build date of the vehicle being restored. On January 1 of 1968 many new Federal regulations became effective. One such regulation was that certain fasteners were to be checked for proper torque when assembled. Those are the fasteners that were coated with red dye. Obviously this did not magically happen beginning midnight of January 1, 1968. Some regulations called out implementation the new safety standards after existing stock was depleted, while some changes were in reality put into effect before the stated date for the regulation because they had to be in use by January 1. Hubcaps, side marker lights, shoulder belts and even interior door handles were all redesigned to comply with the new Federal laws. In summation, it is important to only have certain details when it is appropriate to the vehicle in question.
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I am of the opinion that the fasteners which have the red dye are those which were critical to the safety of the occupants. Also I think we must be careful and know the actual build date of the vehicle being restored. On January 1 of 1968 many new Federal regulations became effective. One such regulation was that certain fasteners were to be checked for proper torque when assembled. Those are the fasteners that were coated with red dye. Obviously this did not magically happen beginning midnight of January 1, 1968. Some regulations called out implementation the new safety standards after existing stock was depleted, while some changes were in reality put into effect before the stated date for the regulation because they had to be in use by January 1. Hubcaps, side marker lights, shoulder belts and even interior door handles were all redesigned to comply with the new Federal laws. In summation, it is important to only have certain details when it is appropriate to the vehicle in question.
Thanks Murf my car was built June 5, 1968. Any help would be greatly appreciated
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+1 . There are fasteners that are more prone to have the safety dye typically then others . The thing that can happen during a restoration that would be a possible deduction more times then not is as Marty said about poorly done dye. Overdoing it making it too bright ,using the wrong product or using the dye over the wrong underlying finish are some of the issues. The steering coupler star bolt seen in your previous restored pictures is just such a example of too bright . The bolt was zinc phosphate and then thin dye applied. I will typically slosh the bolt around in a jar or bottle of the dye and take it out to dry. Zinc phosphate bolts dipped in dye and zinc dichromate or bright zinc plated bolts dipped in dye have distinct different looks.
Agree that suspension related red dye hardware was first plated phosphate though other hardware used elsewhere was also plated differently before the red dye treatment. One example would be the seat belt base washers that went against the unibody. Will post some below in a new thread
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Since we are not currently looking and discussing specifically 68 San Jose red dye details will be changing the title. Just letting others know
Seat belt base washers though unseen were red dyed in 68. Don't know when that was started
Examples from in the car are from 8R1718xx so fairly late car. Individual washer in the close up have not been restored
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/18/6-260623185325-187862096.jpeg)
Don't recall for certain, right this moment, but another possible unseen (once the car is completed) red dye candidate might be the bucket set mounting nuts and cage washer. Will let others confirm rather than removing one from a car right now.
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Then we have the solid brake line to flex line retainers. The U shaped clips that slide into the end fittings. Finish is typically a chalky red dye finish
For drum brake cars there appears to be 3 of them One at each front brake line and 1 at the rear. For disc brake cars a single one from my recall
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/18/6-260623202342-18789874.jpeg)
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Possible support/evidence of three caliper related red dye pieces of hardware
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/18/6-260623202650-187901918.jpeg)
On another possibility have not found the fastback rear seats rear seat upper panel for non-fold downs red dyed on examples I've found.
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Since we are not currently looking and discussing specifically 68 San Jose red dye details will be changing the title. Just letting others know
Seat belt base washers though unseen were red dyed in 68. Don't know when that was started
Examples from in the car are from 8R1718xx so fairly late car. Individual washer in the close up have not been restored
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/18/6-260623185325-187862096.jpeg)
Don't recall for certain, right this moment, but another possible unseen (once the car is completed) red dye candidate might be the bucket set mounting nuts and cage washer. Will let others confirm rather than removing one from a car right now.
Yes my seat belt hardware looked just like that as well
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Then we have the solid brake line to flex line retainers. The U shaped clips that slide into the end fittings. Finish is typically a chalky red dye finish
For drum brake cars there appears to be 3 of them One at each front brake line and 1 at the rear. For disc brake cars a single one from my recall
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/18/6-260623202342-18789874.jpeg)
This is new to me I did not have those on my list
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Possible support/evidence of three caliper related red dye pieces of hardware
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/18/6-260623202650-187901918.jpeg)
On another possibility have not found the fastback rear seats rear seat upper panel for non-fold downs red dyed on examples I've found.
I got 2 out of three, but not the shield bolts
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I got 2 out of three, but not the shield bolts
Hopefully we can get multiple examples to double confirm all findings. Still need to go through the 68 Shelby pictures.
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Hopefully we can get multiple examples to double confirm all findings. Still need to go through the 68 Shelby pictures.
Yes things are starting to get interesting now. Glad some progress is being made and will be a great reference for others. Great detective work as always Jeff.
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I found a few original fasteners with red dye still intact.
Front Seat Nuts
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Seat Belt washers I think
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Hopefully we can get multiple examples to double confirm all findings. Still need to go through the 68 Shelby pictures.
Yes good point as Shelbys will have most of the same red dye I assume
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July 26 Dearborn.
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July 26 Dearborn.
Takens
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July 26 Dearborn.
Yes they seem to have a maroon hue to them. I can only assume that some of these fasteners were coloured red by the vendor, which would explain why so many of the red fasteners have a different look. The cad fasteners for example have a translucent look to them, while the phosphate fasteners don't show the red very well at all in some cases. For example if you check all of the AMK fasteners with red dye for 1968, you can clearly see that the finish varies from phosphate to cad bolts. Not sure how accurate the finishes are, but it is a good guide to start with. I just ordered some machinists dye and will redo my fasteners and see how they look. I used a combination of paint and dye, but am trying to get a more accurate finish.
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Believe you will be happier with the dye. I've applied by both dipping (cup method) and by brush. both work
Have also used spray for other colors, on other parts, but not for the red
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The reason why different dyed fasteners have a different red finish is because of the underlying finish . The silver or dichromate fasteners when treated with the red dye have a different appearance compared to the the darker appearance of the red dye over the zinc phosphate plated parts like the seat track nuts ,steering box and steering coupler bolts etc.
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The reason why different dyed fasteners have a different red finish is because of the underlying finish . The silver or dichromate fasteners when treated with the red dye have a different appearance compared to the the darker appearance of the red dye over the zinc phosphate plated parts like the seat track nuts ,steering box and steering coupler bolts etc.
The seat bolt nuts definitely look like a different paint shade. I also assume that over time the shade will fade or dull etc. Too bad we don't have access to photos in detail of when these cars were new. That would make it too easy!
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Just thought I would include a couple of links to earlier discussions on the use of the layout or machinist dye and the different types. Some of you may be aware of the earlier thread and others may not. In this way we kind of join and help others find related information in the future.
Discussion in Processes, Products & Techniques section of the site. Its a merging of a discussion of product and application and a thread on a members attempts and results for one product
https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=5669.0 (https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=5669.0)
There is transparent as well as opaque out there made by some of the major brands. I've always like the transparent. Different suppliers or plants making all of these parts may have used different kind of dyes for different parts. The brake c clips and the seat belt nuts appear to maybe the opaque version of the product IMHO
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/11/6-071218181318.jpeg)
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Just thought I would include a couple of links to earlier discussions on the use of the layout or machinist dye and the different types. Some of you may be aware of the earlier thread and others may not. In this way we kind of join and help others find related information in the future.
Discussion in Processes, Products & Techniques section of the site. Its a merging of a discussion of product and application and a thread on a members attempts and results for one product
https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=5669.0 (https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=5669.0)
There is transparent as well as opaque out there made by some of the major brands. I've always like the transparent. Different suppliers or plants making all of these parts may have used different kind of dyes for different parts. The brake c clips and the seat belt nuts appear to maybe the opaque version of the product IMHO
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/11/6-071218181318.jpeg)
Hi Jeff I just ordered this product. Will post some photos after I test it out.
I also went back re read the posts in the previous red dye thread a nc discovers some posts that I had originally over looked that I found quite helpful. Did you merge the 2 threads?
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/18/4775-300623231956-18818792.png)
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Hi Jeff I just ordered this product. Will post some photos after I test it out.
I also went back re read the posts in the previous red dye thread a nc discovers some posts that I had originally over looked that I found quite helpful. Did you merge the 2 threads?
From my post above
"Discussion in Processes, Products & Techniques section of the site. Its a merging of a discussion of product and application and a thread on a members attempts and results for one product "
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Where do I find the AMK Guide to Ford Fasteners, 1955-73?
Guide to Ford Fasteners ? AMK Products, Inc. (https://www.amkproducts.com/parts/ford/guide-to-fasteners/)
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I would recommend diluting the Dykem with acetone before applying to fastener , a more transparent shade of color
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Guide to Ford Fasteners ? AMK Products, Inc. (https://www.amkproducts.com/parts/ford/guide-to-fasteners/)
Great thanks I just ordered the book. Looks like a great reference
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Well sadly after trying to locate the red Dykem's layout fluid, I am back to the old drawing board. I had some on order and it never arrived. Not sure if I can source more, but can't wait forever. I guess I can proceed and then swap out the fasteners after the fact. However it seems that it is not available in Canada, which is the case more times that not when it comes to certain chemical products. I some case we have to smuggle things into the country.
I found this list on this website somewhere a while back. If anyone has any comments please feel free to share
Mustang Red Dye Hardware
4-Nuts on Upper Control Arm Shaft
Chassis Manual Page 30
4-Spindle Nuts on Upper and Lower Ball Joints
Chassis Manual Page 30
4-Strut Rod nuts at Lower Control Arm
Chassis Manual Page 30
4-Strut Rod nuts at Bushing Forward and Aft
Chassis Manual Page 30
4-Upper and Lower Calliper Bolts
Chassis Manual Page 30
2-Bolts and Nuts on Forward end of Leaf Spring
Chassis Manual Page 34
8-Nuts on Rear Axle U-Bolts
Chassis Manual Page 34
2-Bolts attaching Flexible Brake Hose to Calliper
Chassis Manual Page 37
4-Clips attaching Brake hardline to Floor pan
Chassis Manual Page 37
2-Nuts attaching Brake Proportioning Valve
Chassis Manual Page 37
1-Adjusting Nut for Emergency Brake Cable
Chassis Manual Page 39
2-Nuts on Firewall attaching Emergency Brake Cable Pulley
Chassis Manual Page 39
3-Spring Clips on Emergency Brake Cable
Chassis Manual Page 39
1-Spring Clip on Brake Pedal Rod
Chassis Manual Page 45
4-Exhaust Manifold Studs at H-Pipe
Chassis Manual Page 60/61
2-Idler Arm Attaching Bolts and Nuts
Chassis Manual Page 66
1-Nut attaching Pittman Arm to Steering Box
Chassis Manual Page 66
3-Bolts attaching Steering Box to Frame
Chassis Manual Page 66
1-Clamp Bolt on Input Shaft to Steering Box
Chassis Manual Page 68
2-Nuts on Steering Flex Coupling
Chassis Manual Page 68
1-Nut attaching Steering Wheel to Steering Shaft
Chassis Manual Page 68
2-Front Seat Belt Bolts Outboard
Interior Manual Page 35
2-Front Seat Belt Washers/Spacers Outboard
Interior Manual Page 35
2-Front Seat Belt Bolts at Driveshaft Tunnel
Interior Manual Page 36
4-Front Seat Belt Inboard Washers/Spacers at Driveshaft Tunnel
Interior Manual Page 36
4-Rear Seat Belt Bolts and Washers/Spacers
Interior Manual Page 45
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I finally received the Dykem Steel Red layout fluid (Thanks BossBill) I have the aerosol version which make application a breeze and it applies nicely. It works great on zinc, but is barely visible on Manganese Phosphate. Is there another product to use on phosphate that makes the fastener standout, or is this what was used?
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What about brake master cylinder nuts?
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What about brake master cylinder nuts?
Believe your referring to cars with power brakes since manuals don't have nuts used on them or to retain them they may have been dyed but haven't seen that on San Jose cars using Midland pumps. Of course for some it would not patter since them were painted over after the master cylinder was attached to the booster. For others the assembled unit (master, booster, joining hardware, check valve and other pieces) was painted semi-gloss black and two small diameter plugs were inserted, one at each brake fluid port, that left a small round shadow one they were removed and the brake lines attached.
Might, in the weeks to follow start a 69 red dye thread and discussion since I don't want to post those examples here and take this thread sideways
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was the red dye ever used prior to 1968 and if so what years
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was the red dye ever used prior to 1968 and if so what years
No as far as I know the red dye markings came into effect in the 1968 year with other new safety regulations that did not previously exist
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Here is an update on the list of red dye fasteners. I did a cross reference with the previous list with the AMK catalog and here are my findings. I will only apply red dye to the following fasteners unless advised to do otherwise.
Please fell free to add to the list of make suggestions or corrections.
*Mustang Red Dye Hardware
4-Nuts on Upper Control Arm Shaft
Chassis Manual Page 30
Finish-S
FORD Part Number 380952
AMK Reference Page 41
AMK Part Number 9414511
AMK Finish S-36 (Zinc Dichromate)
10-Nuts on Differential
Chassis Manual Page
Finish-S
FORD Part Number 34445
AMK Reference Page 44
AMK Part Number 12867 S-7 (Cad)
AMK Part Number 12869 S-7 (Cad)
AMK Part Number 12868 (S-60) Phosphate/ Dull Red
AMK Part Number 12870 (S-60) Phosphate/ Dull Red
2-Strut Rod Nuts on Lower Control Arms
Chassis Manual Page 30
Finish-S-100 (Red Dye)
FORD Part Number 382857
FORD Part Number 380952
AMK Reference Page 41
AMK Part Number B-12799(S-60) Phosphate/ Dull Red
AMK Part Number B-12798(S-2) Phosphate
AMK Part Number B-11507(S-36) Zinc Dichromate
4-Spindle Nuts on Upper & Lower Ball Joints
Chassis Manual Page 30
Finish-S-100
FORD Part Number 382826
AMK Reference Page N/A
AMK Part Number N/A
AMK Finish N/A
4-Lower Control Arm Camber Bolt Nuts
Chassis Manual Page 30
Finish-S-100 (Red Dye)
FORD Part Number 382857
FORD Part Number 380952
AMK Reference Page 41
AMK Part Number B-12799(S-60) Phosphate/ Dull Red
AMK Part Number B-12798(S-2) Phosphate
AMK Part Number B-11507(S-36) Zinc Dichromate
2-Strut Rod nuts Forward
Chassis Manual Page 30
Finish-S-8 (Zinc)
FORD Part Number 380460
AMK Reference Page 45
AMK Part Number B-12884 (S7)
AMK Part Number B-12885 (S48) Zinc/Bright Red
2-Strut Rod nuts at Bushing Aft
Chassis Manual Page 30
Finish-S-100
FORD Part Number 380517
AMK Reference Page 42
AMK Part Number B-12882 (S2)
AMK Part Number B-12883 (S60) Phosphate/ Dull Red
2-Strut Rod nuts at Bushing Aft
Chassis Manual Page 30
Finish-S-100
FORD Part Number 380517
AMK Reference Page 42
AMK Part Number B-12882 (S2)
AMK Part Number B-12883 (S60) Phosphate/ Dull Red
4-Upper & Lower Calliper Bolts
Chassis Manual Page 30
Finish-S-101
FORD Part Number 382713
AMK Reference Page 24
AMK Part Number B-13683
AMK Finish (S2 Phosphate)
2-Bolts on Forward end of Leaf Spring
Chassis Manual Page 34
Finish-S-100
FORD Part Number 382393
AMK Reference Page 31
AMK Part Number B-15014
AMK Finish S-2 (Phosphate)
8-Nuts on Rear Axle U-Bolts
Chassis Manual Page 34
Finish-S-100 (Red Dye)
FORD Part Number 379244-S
AMK Reference Page 49
AMK Part Number B-12910 (S-7)
AMK Part Number B-10491 (S-7)
AMK Part Number B-13438 (S-48) Zinc/Bright Red
AMK Part Number B-11438 (S-48) Zinc/Bright Red
AMK Finish S-7 (Red Dye)
2-Bolts attaching Flexible Brake Hose to Calliper
Chassis Manual Page 17
Finish-S-100
FORD Part Number 382365
AMK Reference Page 17
AMK Part Number B-12653
AMK Finish S-48 (Zinc/Bright Red)
4-Clips attaching Brake hardline to Floor pan
Chassis Manual Page 144
Finish-S-100
FORD Part Number C9ZA -2814-A
AMK Reference Page 144
AMK Part Number B-13168 (S-3)
AMK Part Number B-13169 (S-60) Phosphate/ Dull Red
2-Nuts attaching Brake Proportioning Valve
Chassis Manual Page 37
Finish-S-100
FORD Part Number 379930
AMK Reference Page 49
AMK Part Number B-12905
AMK Finish S-7 (Cad)
1-Adjusting Nut for Emergency Brake Cable
Chassis Manual Page 39
Finish-S-100
FORD Part Number 379930
AMK Reference Page 49
AMK Part Number B-12905
AMK Finish S-7 (Cad)
2-Nuts on Firewall attaching Emergency Brake Cable Pulley
Chassis Manual Page 39
Finish-S-100
FORD Part Number 379930
AMK Reference Page 49
AMK Part Number B-12905
AMK Finish S-7 (Cad)
3-Spring Clips on Emergency Brake Cable
Chassis Manual Page 39
Finish-S-100
FORD Part Number 382831
AMK Ref: Part Number 383475
AMK Reference Page 142
AMK Part Number B-11575 (S-2)
AMK Part Number B-13142 (S-60)Phosphate/ Dull Red
1-Spring Clip on Brake Pedal Rod
Chassis Manual Page 45
Finish-S-100
FORD Part Number 382797
AMK Ref: Part Number 380699 -S
AMK Reference Page 142
AMK Part Number B-13141 (S-60)Phosphate/ Dull Red
4-Exhaust Manifold Studs at H-Pipe
Chassis Manual Page 60/61
2-Idler Arm Attaching Bolts
Chassis Manual Page 66
Finish-S100
FORD Part Number 374420
FORD Part Number 380771
AMK Reference Page 42
AMK Part Number B-12805 (S-2)Phosphate
AMK Part Number B-12806 (S-60)Phosphate/ Dull Red
AMK Part Number B-12654 (S-2)Phosphate
AMK Part Number B-11617 (S-60)Phosphate/ Dull Red
2-Idler Arm Attaching Nuts
Chassis Manual Page 66
Finish-S-100
FORD Part Number 382832
AMK Reference Page N/A
AMK Part Number 12168 (S-60)Phosphate/ Dull Red
1-Nut attaching Pittman Arm to Steering Box
Chassis Manual Page 66
Finish-S-100
FORD Part Number 380771
AMK Reference Page 42
AMK Part Number B-12805 (S-2)Phosphate
AMK Part Number B-12806 (S-60)Phosphate/ Dull Red
3-Bolts attaching Steering Box to Frame
Chassis Manual Page 67
Finish-S-2
FORD Part Number 378331
AMK Reference Page 19
AMK Part Number B-12670 (S-2)Phosphate
AMK Part Number B-11458 (S-60)Phosphate/ Dull Red
1-Clamp Bolt on Input Shaft to Steering Box
Chassis Manual Page 68
Finish-S-100
FORD Part Number 358794
FORD Part Number 385970
AMK Reference Page 19
AMK Part Number B-12734 (S-2)Phosphate
AMK Part Number B-11504 (S-60)Phosphate/ Dull Red
2-Nuts on Steering Flex Coupling
Chassis Manual Page 68
1-Nut attaching Steering Wheel to Steering Shaft
Chassis Manual Page 68
Finish-S-100
FORD Part Number 382412
AMK Reference Page 45
AMK Part Number B-10014 (S-7)Cad
2-Front Seat Belt Bolts Outboard
Interior Manual Page 35
Finish-S-100
FORD Part Number 382627
AMK Reference Page 184
AMK Part Number B-10434 (S-36)Zinc Dichromate
2-Front Seat Belt Washers/Spacers Outboard
Interior Manual Page 35
Finish-S
FORD Part Number 354959
AMK Reference Page 174
AMK Part Number B-11294 (S) No Finish
2-Front Seat Belt Spacers Shoulder Belts
Interior Manual Page 36
Finish-S-13
FORD Part Number C8AB-6260228-B
AMK Reference Page 158
AMK Part Number B-10930 (S-13) Chrome
4-Front Seat Belt Inboard Washers/Spacers at Driveshaft Tunnel
Interior Manual Page 36
4-Rear Seat Belt Bolts and Washers/Spacers
Interior Manual Page 45