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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1964 1/2 - 1965 => Topic started by: DKutz on May 27, 2015, 06:27:58 PM
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So did the engine of the 64 OCT SJ all get black paint at the same time. What was assembled on the motor at the time of paint? I know the thermo housing and bypass, what about the harmonic balancer? What else was onthe car and would have been shot at the same time??
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Block, heads, intake, carb spacer, exhaust manifolds, timing cover, oil pan and plug, water pump, by-pass hose and clamps, t-stat housing, dip stick, rear engine plate. Certain items were installed and covered for paint, such as temp-sender, oil sender.
Spark plugs were not installed, those were just a set I use for spraying engines. The holes were probably plugged with something when the engine was painted though.
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The heater outlet was not installed, and there was a "sleeve" over the tip of the water outlet (leave a little bit of "raw" aluminum showing after the upper radiator hose is installed just for the effect). Some of the water pump bolts were removed and reused for the alternator, power steering and Air Conditioning add-ons.
Jim
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On original low mileage cars, we have observed paint at the base of the heater elbow on the intake.
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Carb spacer?
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Carb spacer?
Yes, normally installed with bottom gasket in place and studs also attached to the intake.
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Just curious, in Oct 65, was Ford painting some engines black and some blue?
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Just curious, in Oct 65, was Ford painting some engines black and some blue?
As of mid August, 1965, all Fords were made and sold with a blue engine. No exceptions are known (Shelby's were carry over, 65 black). You can determine the engines actual assembly date on a "boss" on the engine near the distributor, format "year", "month", "day" and "inspector" - 5H21Z = 1965, August, 21, inspector "Z" (Zorro?).
Jim
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Thanks Jim.
OP asking about Oct 65 SJ engine getting all black paint prompted the question.
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Just curious, in Oct 65, was Ford painting some engines black and some blue?
Good catch, thought they were asking about '65 model year since they mentioned black. Probably meant Oct '64.
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yes oct 64 sorry...
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yes oct 64 sorry...
Thanks, updated the thread title too...
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I?ve searched and can?t find all the answers regarding what all was painted black as an assembled engine, so I thought I?d post a new thread to get confirmation or correction. My questions are for my 6/64 D code, but would think it would be typical for 64/65 cars.
1. Heater hose neck at front of intake. Photos of unrestored 64/65 cars seem to show that it is unpainted, but I?ve seen a number off ?66 cars with remnants of blue paint.
2. Hex plug in vacuum fitting behind carburetor. I would think this or a vacuum tree would have been installed on the assembly line once it was determined if the car was an automatic and/or had power brakes.
3. Hex plugs on block skirts for coolant draining. Assuming these were in place when the engine was painted.
4. Thermostat housing and water pump inlet. My understanding is that the end of each of these was masked where the radiator hoses slide on.
5. Carburetor spacer and lower gasket were in place when the engine was painted, so some or all would have been hit with the paint spray.
6. Road draft tube. The paint on my road draft tube was fairly well preserved and looks like it had a nice uniform thin layer of semigloss black paint like you would see on any number of NOS replacement parts. A little too good to have been painted with the engine, so I?m thinking the attaching bolts and gaskets would not be painted.
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1. Heater hose neck at front of intake. Photos of unrestored 64/65 cars seem to show that it is unpainted, but I?ve seen a number off ?66 cars with remnants of blue paint.
64.5-65 were usually unpainted, zinc w/dichromate (gold) They were installed and covered when the engine was painted.
2. Hex plug in vacuum fitting behind carburetor. I would think this or a vacuum tree would have been installed on the assembly line once it was determined if the car was an automatic and/or had power brakes.
Engine color
3. Hex plugs on block skirts for coolant draining. Assuming these were in place when the engine was painted.
Unpainted, installed after engine painted with shellac sealer (I use the indian head stuff)
4. Thermostat housing and water pump inlet. My understanding is that the end of each of these was masked where the radiator hoses slide on.
Yes, just tape up the ends.
5. Carburetor spacer and lower gasket were in place when the engine was painted, so some or all would have been hit with the paint spray.
Carb spacer and spacer to intake gasket in place before paint. Sometimes see fading to the top, but seen lots that had a complete covering too.
6. Road draft tube. The paint on my road draft tube was fairly well preserved and looks like it had a nice uniform thin layer of semigloss black paint like you would see on any number of NOS replacement parts. A little too good to have been painted with the engine, so I?m thinking the attaching bolts and gaskets would not be painted.
Road draft tube installed later at the assembly plant.
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Thanks Charles. I was hoping I would do better than 4 out of 6 correct, but that?s why I asked. What kind of sealant was used on the heater hose fitting?
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What kind of sealant was used on the heater hose fitting?
I use the indian head shellac stuff.
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Some of these details are illustrated and visible in the other sections of the site. In particular those areas with factory or period pictures of the car and engine assembly. One such example would be found in the - The Assembly Line - Discussions related to assembly line practices and observations - Members Only Viewing ? Sub-Assembly & Supply Plants
Thread title is - Early Small Block Product Test Pictures
Thread titled - 64 Cleveland Engine Plant V8 Oil Pressure Test Might help some though the pictures are not as nice or from as many angles
You also have evidence of a mask of sorts over the heater hose nipple at the water pump to go along with the other hose nipples and necks that were unpainted to help the hoses seal to the items
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Thanks Jeff. I remembered seeing those photos here in the past, but dang if I could remember where.
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Thanks Jeff. I remembered seeing those photos here in the past, but dang if I could remember where.
Yes the down side of having allot of reference material posted and available but would rather have that than not have stuff posted and shared :)
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Also the downside of getting old and not being able to remember things!