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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1968 Mustang => Topic started by: mhubert89 on February 25, 2015, 07:35:33 PM
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hi,
can someone have a plan or all the measures for the interior floor bracket for the fold down seat ?
i have a 68 fastback !
thanks for your help !
Mathieu
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nobody have picture to show me where all the floor bracket ( fold down seat ) go in a 68 fastback ?
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(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/3/6-260215191041.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/3/6-260215191124.jpeg)
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(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/3/6-260215191041.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/3/6-260215191124.jpeg)
hi, thanks for your picture...do you have all the other brackets..have 3-4 on the floor just behind front seat and somes on the wheelhouse !?
Mathieu
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hi, thanks for your picture...do you have all the other brackets..have 3-4 on the floor just behind front seat and somes on the wheelhouse !?
These would be the forward most brackets attached to the floor - two more (can see one in one of the pictures) right in front of the rear fiberglass/plastic side panels for the rear section of the floor cover. The one bracket on each of the wheel wells.
There are two brackets on the floor under the rear seat but those are not for the fold down.
Will not have access to the car again till next visit - next week
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These would be the forward most brackets attached to the floor - two more (can see one in one of the pictures) right in front of the rear fiberglass/plastic side panels for the rear section of the floor cover. The one bracket on each of the wheel wells.
There are two brackets on the floor under the rear seat but those are not for the fold down.
Will not have access to the car again till next visit - next week
just not sure where go 4-6 bracket because i think mine where missing on my old floor , will try to show you wich one !
in the picture ..if you start from the right , the first bracket in the second row..have 2 identical with 4 holes on the side
after that the last one at the bottom left ..have 2 little ''s'' 2 have a littles hole at our left and 2 others bracket no hole . Have 4 brackets that look very similair ...
thanks and sorry for the poor explication, i am french spaeking !
Mathieu
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Mathieu,
I believe what you are asking about are brackets for the rear seat, lower section. Attached is a picture with the area highlighted in red. These would be the same for any body style I think. If you need dimensions I would be able to do anything for about a week, perhaps someone else can. This is for the ones with the four holes.
For the others, I'm not quite following. Can you edit the picture you posted in MS paint or similar program, modify by highlighting the bracket(s), and reposting?
bienvenue sur le site
John
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Ok lets try this From memory and using your picture. Sure others will help out if I miss something
Without an original car to measure you have a tough job. If any one of these is off by a couple of milometers panels attaching to them will not fit and you'll have to remove and re-weld it. And you normally don't find out until the car is painted and going back together. Saw this in a shop 2 weeks ago and the upper fold down brackets were not in the correct place on the wheel well
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/3/6-270215202345.jpeg)
Green- Brackets that screw to the body and hold interior panels. Not certain of the two in the upper right
Red - Fastback package area brackets
Light blue- Bracket that attaches to the passenger side trap door opening. Engages with the arm on the trap door to keep it open
Dark blue - these look like the screw on brackets that will attach to the two rear roof panels that go overhead on a fastback
Yellow - These appear to be the sun visor brackets that weld to both front corners of the roof above the headliner
Orange - Rear bottom seat cushion brackets that weld to the floor
This is one of the reasons I don't build cars with rust 8)
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Ok lets try this From memory and using your picture. Sure others will help out if I miss something
Without an original car to measure you have a tough job. If any one of these is off by a couple of milometers panels attaching to them will not fit and you'll have to remove and re-weld it. And you normally don't find out until the car is painted and going back together. Saw this in a shop 2 weeks ago and the upper fold down brackets were not in the correct place on the wheel well
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/3/6-270215202345.jpeg)
Green- Brackets that screw to the body and hold interior panels. Not certain of the two in the upper right
Red - Fastback package area brackets
Light blue- Bracket that attaches to the passenger side trap door opening. Engages with the arm on the trap door to keep it open
Dark blue - these look like the screw on brackets that will attach to the two rear roof panels that go overhead on a fastback
Yellow - These appear to be the sun visor brackets that weld to both front corners of the roof above the headliner
Orange - Rear bottom seat cushion brackets that weld to the floor
This is one of the reasons I don't build cars with rust 8)
first ! thanks to take times to help me, very appreciate !!
oki for the orange ! that help me ..
the others bracket that i need to know its between the green and blue , have 3 littles brackets !?!?!
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the others bracket that i need to know its between the green and blue , have 3 littles brackets !?!?!
The top pair looks like they may be for the top rear edge of the rear seat lower section - The form sort of a hook with the bottom end (once attached) open where the frame of the lower section slides into and is held between the "hook"/bracket and the floor of the car.
Pictures is not great can't make out the one on the bottom of that group
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Green- Brackets that screw to the body and hold interior panels. Not certain of the two in the upper right
Red - Fastback package area brackets
Light blue- Bracket that attaches to the passenger side trap door opening. Engages with the arm on the trap door to keep it open
Dark blue - these look like the screw on brackets that will attach to the two rear roof panels that go overhead on a fastback
Yellow - These appear to be the sun visor brackets that weld to both front corners of the roof above the headliner
Orange - Rear bottom seat cushion brackets that weld to the floor
The dark blue are for the rear over head panel as you speculated. The green ones in the upper right are interior panel attachment points at the beltline just behind the doors. Please excuse the extra red oxide primer, courtesy of a P.O. :)
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The top pair looks like they may be for the top rear edge of the rear seat lower section - The form sort of a hook with the bottom end (once attached) open where the frame of the lower section slides into and is held between the "hook"/bracket and the floor of the car.
Pictures is not great can't make out the one on the bottom of that group
Yes, the top ones are as you described. I don't have a photo showing the entire bracket, just the hooked ends peeking out below the seatback material.
I don't recognozie the bottom one either, but it appears to be the same design as the one on the far left in the lower left green box.
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Yes, the top ones are as you described. I don't have a photo showing the entire bracket, just the hooked ends peeking out below the seatback material.
I don't recognozie the bottom one either, but it appears to be the same design as the one on the far left in the lower left green box.
yes for the 2 brackets like hooks , but 2 brackets are same like the hook but have 2 littles hole upper left ! one are in the green square in the other one are with the 2 others hook between the green and blue !?
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Yes I see the other match to the bottom one between the green and blue box that has not be identified. Picture is too poor and at a bad angle for me to figure out where they go
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Yes I see the other match to the bottom one between the green and blue box that has not be identified. Picture is too poor and at a bad angle for me to figure out where they go
wich bracket its the good one for the buttom section of the seat..i saw 2 differente bracket !!
the first picture its the bracket inside the orange line
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wich bracket its the good one for the buttom section of the seat..i saw 2 differente bracket !!
Top example in your post - your looking at pictures from different types of cars - adding to your confusion
the first picture its the bracket inside the orange line
Yes
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Top example in your post - your looking at pictures from different types of cars - adding to your confusion
Yes
that weird because the white floor its really from a 68 fastback..it's a forum for a full restoration for this 68 !
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that weird because the white floor its really from a 68 fastback..it's a forum for a full restoration for this 68 !
In both of the examples you showed someone has been in there before - not unrestored - altered. The seat cushion "hooks" on the white example are the style not normally used on fastbacks but on other body styles in 68. Maybe someone got confused or missed this detail when they rebuilt the cars body.
Also consider that the taller brackets would not work very well with the very thin (when compared to the coupe and convertible) lower cushions - too tall for such a thin fastback cushion and frame.
So the question would be is the white floor originally from a 68 fastback or just what is there when they took the picture? One of the challenges/problems IMHO of using "restored" cars as references. Looks like someone made a mistake - hopefully you've not been using this example for a guide for your restoration. ::)
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In both of the examples you showed someone has been in there before - not unrestored - altered. The seat cushion "hooks" on the white example are the style not normally used on fastbacks but on other body styles in 68. Maybe someone got confused or missed this detail when they rebuilt the cars body.
Also consider that the taller brackets would not work very well with the very thin (when compared to the coupe and convertible) lower cushions - too tall for such a thin fastback cushion and frame.
So the question would be is the white floor originally from a 68 fastback or just what is there when they took the picture? One of the challenges/problems IMHO of using "restored" cars as references. Looks like someone made a mistake - hopefully you've not been using this example for a guide for your restoration. ::)
yes perfect , thanks for your help..just want to make sure to do it good the first times...and 67-68 mustang are very rare over here..it's hard for me to go see one unrestored !
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..............it's hard for me to go see one unrestored !
Not really - they are as close as your computer and this site ;)
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Hi , the interior trims bracket that go under the rear glass , did they are the sames of the one on each side of the roof or longer ?
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Hi , the interior trims bracket that go under the rear glass , did they are the sames of the one on each side of the roof or longer ?
Look pretty close - sorry don't have any to measure right now
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/4/6-111015204244.jpeg)
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Look pretty close - sorry don't have any to measure right now
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/4/6-111015204244.jpeg)
Yeah look really similar , tahnks !
And do you know where do the little one ? ( up right in the picture ?)
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And do you know where do the little one ? ( up right in the picture ?)
No idea at the moment
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Could it be the base for mounting the front bracket for the rear view mirror attachment?
Just a thought ?
Remember I have a 67 Fastback, not sure if it is 100% the same.
Hope this helps,
Kind regards,
Jeroen
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Though its a bit off topic - yes
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Could it be the base for mounting the front bracket for the rear view mirror attachment?
Just a thought ?
Remember I have a 67 Fastback, not sure if it is 100% the same.
I don't think it's a match, see the side-by-side comparison. Even if it did, it wouldn't apply to Mathieu's '68 - the mirror mounted to the windshield glass starting in '68.
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I don't think it's a match, see the side-by-side comparison. Even if it did, it wouldn't apply to Mathieu's '68 - the mirror mounted to the windshield glass starting in '68.
Remember its a reproduction part - it doesn't have to match - or look the same - just fill a need. Measurement of the two (if we had that) would help
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Remember its a reproduction part - it doesn't have to match - or look the same - just fill a need. Measurement of the two (if we had that) would help
Good point. If that's the case, they did much better reproducing the other brackets.
Did a bit of looking at those bracket kits. The ones listed for 65-66 show the same piece. Maybe they copied a 65-66 bracket and included it in their 67-68 kit? I couldn't find any photos of a 65-66 bracket to compare (assuming they even had them...).