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Title: 64 HiPo - 67 Shelby Hipo Air Cleaner Base
Post by: Bossbill on May 10, 2018, 02:17:11 PM
Edit to remove Mannel pic and (to retain author's copyright). Added a CCM pic.

I have an air cleaner base plate which is evidently incorrect for my 67 GT350.
The 64 Hipo and early 65 non-emission base evidently has no nipples at all, just two indentations where a small and large nipple would go.
I have this base. It does not have a date stamp.

NOT MY BASE, but appears to be identical to what I have:
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6591.0;attach=7920;image)

The 67 base is [on edit] supposed to have only a small nipple.
I plan on purchasing a Drake reproduction of this air cleaner as it supposed to be almost dead on correct. Opinions?
I understand the 67 GT350 non-emission install would have a rubber cap and spring clamp. Please note my car's build date in my sig if this is another early, middle, late Ford/SA issue.

Was the 'C' base ever reproduced? If so, is there a way to determine if original or reproduction -- is there a detail or weight difference?

I keep hearing about 5A bases but don't hear much about other dates. How many (date) runs were there in 65 ? I gather the 67 base would also have a date and should be 7A (or earlier for my car) if there was a batch done in that time frame.

So many details for such a small part!
Title: Re: 64 HiPo - 67 Shelby Hipo Air Cleaner Base
Post by: Bob Gaines on May 10, 2018, 10:26:46 PM
I have an air cleaner base plate which is evidently incorrect for my 67 GT350.
The 64 Hipo and early 65 non-emission base is shown in pic C.
I have this base. It does not have a date stamp.

The 67 base is shown as [partial] pic D.
I plan on purchasing a Drake reproduction of this air cleaner as it supposed to be almost dead on correct. Opinions?
I understand the 67 GT350 non-emission install would have a rubber cap and spring clamp. Please note my car's build date in my sig if this is another early, middle, late Ford/SA issue.

Was the 'C' base ever reproduced? If so, is there a way to determine if original or reproduction -- is there a detail or weight difference?

I keep hearing about 5A bases but don't hear much about other dates. How many (date) runs were there in 65 ? I gather the 67 base would also have a date and should be 7A (or earlier for my car) if there was a batch done in that time frame.

So many details for such a small part!
Nether style is assemblyline correct for your 67 GT350 regardless of if putting a cap on it or not . They will function as needed but not look right . The Base you need instead of the larger nipple has what looks like a round disc with a 1/8 nipple coming out of the center and four spot welds around the washer . There is a picture in the book however I don't have access to one right now to help direct you to it. 
Title: Re: 64 HiPo - 67 Shelby Hipo Air Cleaner Base
Post by: J_Speegle on May 10, 2018, 11:12:41 PM
...................... The Base you need instead of the larger nipple has what looks like a round disc with a 1/8 nipple coming out of the center and four spot welds around the washer . There is a picture in the book however I don't have access to one right now to help direct you to it.

This the one your referring to? :) Probably should be posting scans from someone work without written permission.    ::) Just to keep us out of trouble with the author and inline with the forum rules

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/10/6-100518220234.jpeg)

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/10/6-100518220516.jpeg)

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/10/6-100518221349.jpeg)



Have pictures of a 7C dated base with the large nipple wonder if that is for a 67 K code with Thermactor

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Bossbill I suppose you saw these other threads

http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=16363.msg102428#msg102428

http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=6591.msg48632#msg48632
Title: Re: 64 HiPo - 67 Shelby Hipo Air Cleaner Base
Post by: Bob Gaines on May 11, 2018, 01:06:20 AM
This the one your referring to? :) Probably should be posting scans from someone work without written permission.    ::) Just to keep us out of trouble with the author and inline with the forum rules

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/10/6-100518220234.jpeg)

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/10/6-100518220516.jpeg)

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/10/6-100518221349.jpeg)



Have pictures of a 7C dated base with the large nipple wonder if that is for a 67 K code with Thermactor

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Bossbill I suppose you saw these other threads

http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=16363.msg102428#msg102428

http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=6591.msg48632#msg48632
Yes that is the one for open emission. The big nipple version is typically used for closed emission as in thermactor.
Title: Re: 64 HiPo - 67 Shelby Hipo Air Cleaner Base
Post by: Bossbill on May 11, 2018, 01:19:51 PM
Thanks for the pics Jeff and the verfication of what I need Bob. Edited my post to remove Mannel pic and use concoursmustang.com pic. Did a slight edit too.

The link to the saacforum.com thread on how to identify a repop is gone.
Do I need to post a closeup of mine -- but what area determines if it's real or a repop?
Title: Re: 64 HiPo - 67 Shelby Hipo Air Cleaner Base
Post by: Bob Gaines on May 11, 2018, 06:02:01 PM
I have never seen or heard of a proper 67 GT350 air cleaner base being reproduced. Heck they can't even get the hipo tops right. Close but no cigar. disappointing the the aftermarket can't get it closer.
Title: Re: 64 HiPo - 67 Shelby Hipo Air Cleaner Base
Post by: Bossbill on May 12, 2018, 12:29:24 AM
Finally got back home.

Here is pic of the base that was on my car-- is it a real 64/early 65 or repop:
It is 14 1/8" in diameter. It weighs 1.25 pounds. Do you need any other dimensions?
The car and air cleaner have been in my possession for well over 30 years.

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/10/4249-110518232518.jpeg)
Air Filter Side

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/10/4249-110518232553.jpeg)
Carb Side

Hard to tell the Air Filter Side from the Carb Side.
Title: Re: 64 HiPo - 67 Shelby Hipo Air Cleaner Base
Post by: Bob Gaines on May 12, 2018, 02:16:54 AM
Finally got back home.

Here is pic of the base that was on my car-- is it a real 64/early 65 or repop:
It is 14 1/8" in diameter. It weighs 1.25 pounds. Do you need any other dimensions?
The car and air cleaner have been in my possession for well over 30 years.

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/10/4249-110518232518.jpeg)
Air Filter Side

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/10/4249-110518232553.jpeg)
Carb Side

Hard to tell the Air Filter Side from the Carb Side.
It is easy to tell if it has a date code in it because the repros don't have date codes. Not so easy to tell if it doesn't have a date code because some original base plates did not have date codes ether. Some of the open emission repro bases only have a single dimple which could be a tell . The typical repro closed emission base has two dimples ,one of which has the large nipple crimped into the center. I haven't kept up with all of the repro versions to know if there is a repro open emission style that has the duel dimples like your picture or not.