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Offline evantugby

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Last name on kar?
« on: September 13, 2020, 06:55:55 PM »
Are their known examples of names written on a car from a Ford worker on any first gen mustangs? 

1965 k code shown at the link below has “Snyder #9” on the rear diff.


http://www.ponysite.de/SanJose125001.htm
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Re: Last name on kar?
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2020, 11:20:16 PM »
Seen that picture or at least one of that car and that area a number of years ago. Not typical and possibly IMHO something that a past owner added so that cars/people behind him knew his name and number since it's a K car and likely (as stated the wen page) raced at some point.  If it was applied by a worker it could as likely come from a worker at the Sterling plant though in either cars not sure that all of the inspectors at San Jose would have let it go out the door like that.

At one point the builder(s) of the car also had the back housing marked differently with a different number and some additional writing toward the bottom of the housing in the center section


Page is a bit misleading also stating

"but actually the VIN 5R09K125001 turned out to be the first K-code Fastback built at San Jose"

Don't believe that and other statement made on the page can be supported but not the focus of your question so moving on
« Last Edit: September 14, 2020, 12:01:38 AM by J_Speegle »
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Re: Last name on kar?
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2020, 06:07:11 PM »
Seen that picture or at least one of that car and that area a number of years ago. Not typical and possibly IMHO something that a past owner added so that cars/people behind him knew his name and number since it's a K car and likely (as stated the wen page) raced at some point.  If it was applied by a worker it could as likely come from a worker at the Sterling plant though in either cars not sure that all of the inspectors at San Jose would have let it go out the door like that.

At one point the builder(s) of the car also had the back housing marked differently with a different number and some additional writing toward the bottom of the housing in the center section


Page is a bit misleading also stating

"but actually the VIN 5R09K125001 turned out to be the first K-code Fastback built at San Jose"

Don't believe that and other statement made on the page can be supported but not the focus of your question so moving on

Jeff, Thanks for the reply.  It did seem odd a last name would have been applied by a Ford Assembly worker who helped build the kar.  I also was curious how the owner would have found out the vin he has was the first San Jose Fastback when all of the first gen mustang production information was destroyed by Ford. 
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Re: Last name on kar?
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2020, 06:47:49 PM »
Jeff, Thanks for the reply.  It did seem odd a last name would have been applied by a Ford Assembly worker who helped build the kar.  I also was curious how the owner would have found out the vin he has was the first San Jose Fastback when all of the first gen mustang production information was destroyed by Ford.

The owner may be under the illusion (was what most believed back 30 plus years ago) that cars were assembled and completed in sequential order or they are attempting to make their car more special a common practice and why the whole "one of one" statements that are often used IMHO
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Re: Last name on kar?
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2020, 09:33:58 PM »
The owner may be under the illusion (was what most believed back 30 plus years ago) that cars were assembled and completed in sequential order or they are attempting to make their car more special a common practice and why the whole "one of one" statements that are often used IMHO

The owner told me San Jose started with production number 125000.  I went and looked at my vin spreadsheet of known k codes and found three different 5R08K vins with a number less than 125000.  So I know the production number at San Jose was most likely started with 100000 but I suppose he could still have the first fastback produced at the San Jose plant.  This website seems to back up his claim of having the first production fastback from San Jose.  http://www.joshuastarling.com/mustangs/64v65.htm
« Last Edit: September 14, 2020, 09:58:23 PM by evantugby »
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Re: Last name on kar?
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2020, 02:23:37 PM »
You can phrase things many different ways. The VIN only refers to the sequential order in which the VIN was assigned to the car not which one was completed first. You can see this demonstrated in other years where we have the Ford records available.  Cars with lower VINS were often completed after cars with higher VIN's

As far as VINs, being a fastback is the difference since they did not offer that body type when the cars were first released.
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