Topic: 1967 Remote Control Mirror Control Knob

[196667Bob]

Jeff : Thanks for taking the time to research your pictures. And yes, I did "enjoy" going through the results. It's actually pretty interesting comparing your sample size and results with Johns. Even though both sample sizes were small, and roughly the same amount, it outwardly seems to be a lot (12% +/-) to have been replaced. On the other hand, if Ford really had that many problems with them, maybe not.
I'm of course most interested now to see what you find for Dearborn, since that applies to mine. Metuchen will be interesting too since John found none in his sampling.

Thanks again for your work.

Bob

[J_Speegle]

Jeff : Thanks for taking the time to research your pictures. And yes, I did "enjoy" going through the results. It's actually pretty interesting comparing your sample size and results with Johns. Even though both sample sizes were small, and roughly the same amount, it outwardly seems to be a lot (12% +/-) to have been replaced. ........

That is not what I'm seeing in Johns chart - findings are not similar IMHO

John shows he looked at 18 cars and found 5 which is almost a third. If your comparing all of the cars from all of the plants he shows 6 cars out of 30 or 20%

My findings were 10% allot less than his just San Jose and half of what he found in total. Appears that as the number of cars increase the number of ball knobs decreases based on what we have so far. In addition no patterns either early or late at San Jose

Interesting exercise but don't think we're going to find anything that suggest that adjusters were installed on the factory line. Will post my findings for the other two plants. Totals will be smaller I would suspect as I have less pictures for those plants when compared to the San Jose Mustangs & Shelbys used in the one I posted

[67gta289]

John on your chart what does the brown findings indicate in the San Jose column?

Sorry, should have made that clear (it was to me).  I found one tapered (green) and one ball (yellow) with the same first three sequence numbers of the VIN, so I made the color brown.

Thanks for supplying the additional data Jeff.

[196667Bob]

That is not what I'm seeing in Johns chart - findings are not similar IMHO

Jeff : You are of course correct; John's findings show, in essence, double the percentage as yours. I obviously must have been focusing in on the Dearborn low number of samples as that pertains particularly to mine. What can I say - it was late; must have been too tired to realize.

Anyway, still interested in your findings from the other two Plants ( I'll try to give a more cognitive reply).

One "General question" for now; with over 470,000 67 Mustangs produced, and assuming the percentage of round knobs continues in the 10-12% range, does the some 50,000 or so that apparently were replaced, seem like a high number, or not ?

Thanks again for your work in coming up with this additional data.

Bob

[J_Speegle]

One "General question" for now; with over 470,000 67 Mustangs produced, and assuming the percentage of round knobs continues in the 10-12% range, does the some 50,000 or so that apparently were replaced, seem like a high number, or not ?

Doesn't your figures assume that all 67's received remote mirrors?   Not a fact that can be supported IMHO.

Looking at Kevins Mustang By the Numbers it appears that he didn't or can't break the remote mirrors out in the coding. (don't see them listed)

This may be due to the fact that they were also part of an option package. If you use just the exterior decor numbers then the totals would be 1/10 of the ones you posted above or 5,000 cars. Which I could see as a easy number of cars that have been changed, repaired or replaced for other reasons

Just taking things at face value with a quick first look

[196667Bob]

Jeff : Yes, I am basing that on the fact that all '67 Mustangs received Remote Control Mirrors. This is based on both the Brochure (which I know aren't always "Gospel) and the Salesman's Price Guide. Of course, it is possible that some buyers could have ordered this as a "Delete" Option, but I don't think that is too likely.
Yes, if it were 5,000, I could easily "buy that" also.

Bob

[J_Speegle]

Jeff : Yes, I am basing that on the fact that all '67 Mustangs received Remote Control Mirrors. ...........

Appreciate the correction for some reason had not realized or remember that detail. Does go to show why its important not to do these exercises in a small group or by yourself.  As usual there are plenty of sources that show non-remote mirrors and part numbers for 67 application - though the year of production and Dec 67 MPC does not list any.  But that is taking us towards going off topic

Interesting related finding. In a quick view of the San Jose Mustangs I found more unrestored cars without remote mirrors than I did with the ball style control shaft.

[ruppstang]

The Remote mirror was standard in 67 and optional in 68. Jeff that may where you lost your way.

[J_Speegle]

The Remote mirror was standard in 67 and optional in 68. Jeff that may where you lost your way.

Apparently so. 

That is what I get when I for squeezing one last reply in before running out the door in the morning

[196667Bob]

As usual there are plenty of sources that show non-remote mirrors and part numbers for 67 application - though the year of production and Dec 67 MPC does not list any. 

Jeff : My January 1967 does not list them either. However, my 1960-68 MPC does (pages are dated April and May of 1968) does. It lists the Remote LH mirror, Part # C7AZ-17696-E, as the same for Full Size Ford, Fairlanes, Falcons and Mustangs. It also shows the "Companion RH Mirror" as Part # C7AZ-17696-C for the same vehicle applications.
Interestingly, for 1968, it shows the Remote LH Mirror as Part # C8MY-17696-B for the same 4 models in 1968, and the "Companion RH Mirror" for 1968, once again for the same 4 models. This says, to me at least, that there were other changes than just the Remote mechanism, handle, etc. compared to '67, otherwise, one would think that they would have carried over the '67 "Companion RH Mirror" instead of giving it a new part # (not being real familiar with '68's, I can't say what the difference might be, as they appear the same in looking at pictures).

Interesting related finding. In a quick view of the San Jose Mustangs I found more unrestored cars without mirrors than I did with the ball style control shaft.

I trust that your "quick view" of SJ Mustangs included both '67's and '68's, otherwise that would be an inordinate amount of '67's that were ordered with the "Remote LH Mirror" deleted.

Bob

[J_Speegle]

I trust that your "quick view" of SJ Mustangs included both '67's and '68's, otherwise ..............

Should have included (over looked) the word "remote" but fixed in the earlier post.

No didn't even look at one 68 since that is not the focus and didn't want to muddy the waters by doing so.

.........that would be an inordinate amount of '67's that were ordered with the "Remote LH Mirror" deleted.

Not the conclusion I would come to. Possible just is a by product of earlier owners having problems with the remote mirrors or replacing them for other reasons. Unrestored does not mean untouched or altered in all cases.

[196667Bob]

Jeff : Yes, the addition of the word "remote" makes a big difference in my conclusion. "No mirror" versus a "non-remote mirror" makes a big difference. Of course that then opens up another "can of worms". Did those owners who replaced the Remote Mirror with a non-remote just leave the hole there in the door panel, or go to the trouble of replacing the door panel ? As has been mentioned, a lot can happen in 50 years. Might lend itself to another Post.

Thanks,

Bob

[67gtasanjose]

I thought it might be best to add to this discussion, differences found in a C7 Bezel nut to a C8 bezel nut and the Service Replacement E3 E5 version available.

C7 has sharper corners at outer edge.

C8 has rounded corners at outer edge

E3 E5 version much like the C8 version with a different depth of the 4 notches that a bezel socket engages, the E3 E5 version has "stops" inside the 4 notches and the C8 (as well as the C7), those notches are open all the way in.

Pictures of the C7 & C8 attached.



I posted images of the E5 version (from the web) a few posts down.

[Scott302]

We just released our own repros of both styles earlier this year.  What was available was something in between the C7 and E5.
Regards,
Scott

[67gtasanjose]

We just released our own repros of both styles earlier this year.  What was available was something in between the C7 and E3.
Regards,
Scott

I saw that in your online catalog...now I just need to figure out what else I need from you guys...almost done, nothing else on the list (yet!).