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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1964 1/2 - 1965 => Topic started by: zray on March 06, 2015, 11:24:57 PM
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can anyone decipher these codes ? They are on a '65 Dearborn K code with data tag date of June 24, 1965. The DSO is Detroit, so anythjing is possible as far as panel replacement is concerned.
Driver side shock tower
(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s139/zrayr/2015/DSC_0257_zpsaixn52ej.jpg) (http://s151.photobucket.com/user/zrayr/media/2015/DSC_0257_zpsaixn52ej.jpg.html)
fender
(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s139/zrayr/2015/DSC_0260_zpsx5pn6azc.jpg) (http://s151.photobucket.com/user/zrayr/media/2015/DSC_0260_zpsx5pn6azc.jpg.html)
rocker box/ driver side
(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s139/zrayr/2015/DSC_0269_zpswxht8p3i.jpg) (http://s151.photobucket.com/user/zrayr/media/2015/DSC_0269_zpswxht8p3i.jpg.html)
rocker box/ passenger side
(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s139/zrayr/2015/DSC_0274_zpsc6k35mjb.jpg) (http://s151.photobucket.com/user/zrayr/media/2015/DSC_0274_zpsc6k35mjb.jpg.html)
Z
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Generally speaking, the sheet metal stampings are in the "M DD PS" format where M=Month, DD=Day, P=Plant, S=Shift. However, there can be variations. Check out this link...
http://mustangtek.com/FordDateDecoding.html (http://mustangtek.com/FordDateDecoding.html)
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Generally speaking, the sheet metal stampings are in the "M DD PS" format where M=Month, DD=Day, P=Plant, S=Shift. However, there can be variations.
+1 Often the variations are tied to a specific stamping plant, year or even shorter time period. Some do not represent a date code even though they follow the format
Reading a stamping is often difficult to impossible possibly due to the design of the backing plate which can leave a somewhat generic relief which has the characteristics of a number of numbers (example in your first picture at the top)
ray - easy to see that the date of the door tag is off by a little bit at least - as we've often would expect
We've got an article in the process about date coding many of the parts that make up our Shelby's and Mustangs. About 96% done just have to put the finishing touches on it and stop adding new stuff ::)
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That's exactly what had me baffled. Some of the numbers appeared to be date codes , but didn't match up to any possible date code key that I've seen. Thanks for the explanation .
So it's not uncommon for the date on the data plate to be off ?
What are signs that point to a data plate being Orignal,or not ?
Z.
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So it's not uncommon for the date on the data plate to be off ?
IMHO it would be uncommon for the projected build date stamped on the door tag to be the exact date the car was finished if we used the 67-73 examples we have since we can figure exactly when those cars were completed, according to Ford records
What are signs that point to a data plate being Orignal,or not ?
Depends on who made the reproduction and how long ago.
Sometimes its the printing, fonts or spacing of the letters and numbers
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Depends on who made the reproduction and how long ago.
Sometimes its the printing, fonts or spacing of the letters and numbers
So far I've determined this car was restored by Dr. Jekell & Mr. Hyde. Some things were done with care & due dilligence, Other areas will have to be done over due to sloppyness or ineptitude .
(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s139/zrayr/2015/image.jpg1_zpsrgeeuc8p.jpg) (http://s151.photobucket.com/user/zrayr/media/2015/image.jpg1_zpsrgeeuc8p.jpg.html)
Z.
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This is the tag and rivets for my car. It is a Marti Auto Works reproduction from about 2000. Brian
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Not sure any conclusion can be made from this difference, but the first thing I see is the placement of the stamped data. On mine it is centered top to bottom in the box. On yours the letters and numerals are lower in the box.
Z
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This is the tag and rivets for my car. It is a Marti Auto Works reproduction from about 2000. Brian
The curlicue on the middle bar of the large "Ford" script is much more distinct on zray's tag. In general, his "Ford" has sharper detail. Doesn't prove it's original, just that it's different from yours.
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So far I've determined this car was restored by Dr. Jekell & Mr. Hyde. Some things were done with care & due dilligence, Other areas will have to be done over due to sloppyness or ineptitude .
What I noticed from the picture immediately was the small thin line around the edge of the door tag that appears in your picture. Will check through my collection since that thin line hasn't shown up in any of the pictures I have of the door tags from that plant and time. Not to say that in itself this moment would lean me one way or another. Just a feature to investigate ;)
So many repo's and versions over the years. Do like the crispiness of the stampings in your door tag compared to some reproductions
Here are a few examples from that time period and plant for comparison - That grey tag period :)
Can you pick out the reproduction? Why too easy out of these
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/3/6-080315134723.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/3/6-080315134956.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/3/6-080315134851.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/3/6-080315135243.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/3/6-080315134811.jpeg)
IF we continue this discussion I'll split the subject/thread. Just so it will not be a big surprise :)
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What I noticed from the picture immediately was the small thin line around the edge of the door tag that appears in your picture. Will check through my collection since that thin line hasn't shown up in any of the pictures I have of the door tags from that plant and time. Not to say that in itself this moment would lean me one way or another. Just a feature to investigate ;)
So many repo's and versions over the years. Do like the crispiness of the stampings in your door tag compared to some reproductions
Here are a few examples from that time period and plant for comparison - That grey tag period :)
Can you pick out the reproduction? Why too easy out of these
Note the differences in the large Ford logo. In photos 2, 4 and 5, the curlicue on the middle bar of the "F" is large, compared to photo 3. And on the same three, note how the top bar of the "F" is lower and extends nearly to the stem of the "d". #3 matches zray's.
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thanks for posting all the photos.
to err on the safe side I'm calling my data tag a reproduction until someone with more experience says it isn't.
For the last 20 years i've just owned '66 Shelby's, & None of Shelby's cars left his facility those years with a data tag on the door, so I don't have much recent experience with the tags.
Like I said, this car is an interesting mix of fine work on one hand, and almost deliberate sloppiness on the other. So nothing will surprise me.
Z.
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thanks for posting all the photos.
to err on the safe side I'm calling my data tag a reproduction until someone with more experience says it isn't.
For the last 20 years i've just owned '66 Shelby's, & None of Shelby's cars left his facility those years with a data tag on the door, so I don't have much recent experience with the tags.
Like I said, this car is an interesting mix of fine work on one hand, and almost deliberate sloppiness on the other. So nothing will surprise me.
Z.
You should know better then to use absolutes when it comes to Shelby's :D .Yes some did get door tags left on in 65,66,and 67 but they are very rare mistakes.
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............Yes some did get door tags left on in 65,66,and 67 but they are very rare mistakes.
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Could post pictures - but then again owners wouldn't really be happy about posting their Ford VIN's ;)
Also #4 from the top of my posted pictures is the repo. Stamping is not defined as well as the originals and the reproducer added something to the printing - likely to stay off of Fords copywrite lawyers at the time ::)
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You should know better then to use absolutes when it comes to Shelby's :D .Yes some did get door tags left on in 65,66,and 67 but they are very rare mistakes.
Ha ha . So true. When it comes to understanding ANY type of history, the words "never" & "always" should seldom be used (notice, I didn't say never be used),
Z