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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1966 Mustang => Topic started by: evantugby on February 14, 2018, 05:52:05 PM
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Gents,
Are you guys typically reusing these components for the drum brakes? Or are you replacing them? I have no way to tell if they are original or not, can you guys?
The far left item (parking brake lever) does say FoMoCo and KH 47855 so perhaps original...?
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i have reused those many times. cleaned up lubed & installed.
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Looks just like the ones I just removed from my '67, even has the backwards wound 'black' anchor spring, (forwards wound anchor springs are light blue).
I just bought a new Bendix set to mix and match with my originals. They have some parts plated correctly, other parts are not. For example, the round discs are originally di-chromate as well as the auto adjuster arm. The replacements are both zinc plated. I'll likely send out these original adjuster arms and the replacement discs whenever I get a batch together of similar needs. If that day doesn't arrive, they are going in as zinc (easy enough to fix later if I choose).
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I just cleaned up my other parking brake lever and it says Bendix on it, not KH. So obviously one side has been replaced.
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A mix of Bendix and K/H brake assemblies has been documented as original to some cars:
http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=17383.msg109550#msg109550
You should know this before throwing anything out.
Kurt.
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A mix of Bendix and K/H brake assemblies has been documented as original to some cars:
http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=17383.msg109550#msg109550
You should know this before throwing anything out.
Kurt.
This is great to know. Good piece of information.
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One anchor pin looks bent. my2c, you can use it over. Just inspect for wear and excessive rust. The washers that hold the anchor spring sometimes get wear in the slot. The anchor kits should be available.
Drop the return springs on a concrete floor. If they sound like a spring they are stretched, If they don't go twang they are usable. Usually you can see light between the coils if they are bad.
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Bendix and Kelsey Hayes were the Original suppliers...
You can re-use everything EXCEPT: The shoe anchor pins (Look like pins), the shoe anchor pin retainers (Look like small metal discs), and the Self adjuster cable. None of these three items are safe to re-use IMHO... Just unscrew the self adjuster and re-grease it, and clean all the rest of the parts in a parts cleaner or use a good brake cleaner.
I always re-use my original self adjusters because the self adjusters that they make today are total crap and never correctly fit the brake shoes. The slots in them are never wide enough. I have called multiple manufacturers to complain about the problem. Other than that, You just order a New Combi-Kit to replace the other parts. Keep the original metal brake bar with spring and just clean it and re-grease it.
:o)
Tony K.
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Thank you everybody. I will report back once I have everything assembled back together.
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I would recommend replacing the springs. Age and heat can degrade the spring metal. Many auto parts stores sell hardware kits that include springs, hold down pins and washers for less than $10 (Kit is for both wheels for front or back)
Don't forget to look at the backing plate to see if there are grooves on the raised bosses. If there is, braze then up and file them flat so that the shoes do not hang up
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Gents,
Thanks for the inspiration! All components look to be reusable.
I used evaporust, a wire wheel for the toughest muck, brake clean and closest-color paint I could find (note: dupli-color is pontiac-blue), then sprayed components with boeshield.
Evan
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Spring colors look good. Those pin spring cups and the lower spring bracket would be gold color (zinc w/dichromate), the cable slide zinc plated.
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I would agree that the Green, Yellow & Light Blue look great. I was thinking the black is too flat though.
Referring to only one other original example and reading another post on the spring colors (with a picture and comments showing/stating what springs and what parts are painted or plated this or that), I am also thinking only one anchor pin spring each side is blue, the other is black.
Obviously, my sample pool is very small and others who do this regularly are better informed than I (such as Charles who has already commented), but the image shared in the other thread conflict with the image and color application posted here.
Perhaps there are assembly date variances in play I am not aware of?
ALSO: What color were the anchor pins? Zinc (silver)? Or Zinc Dichromate (gold)?
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I believe the other thread shows a pic of the K convertible I restored, but thought I replied that a couple of the finishes were wrong?
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I believe the other thread shows a pic of the K convertible I restored, but thought I replied that a couple of the finishes were wrong?
Correct.I am not 100% sure how any differences discussed there relate to the OP's example but noticed some discrepancies.
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I'd expect the finishes to be the same, except for those noted (shoe spring colors and plating of discs). BTW, I ended up with several bags of NOS discs, they're all gold. I'm set for a while ;D
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I would agree that the Green, Yellow & Light Blue look great. I was thinking the black is too flat though.
Referring to only one other original example and reading another post on the spring colors (with a picture and comments showing/stating what springs and what parts are painted or plated this or that), I am also thinking only one anchor pin spring each side is blue, the other is black.
Obviously, my sample pool is very small and others who do this regularly are better informed than I (such as Charles who has already commented), but the image shared in the other thread conflict with the image and color application posted here.
Perhaps there are assembly date variances in play I am not aware of?
ALSO: What color were the anchor pins? Zinc (silver)? Or Zinc Dichromate (gold)?
Good catch! I used a flat black because I ran out of SG black. :)
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Spring colors look good. Those pin spring cups and the lower spring bracket would be gold color (zinc w/dichromate), the cable slide zinc plated.
I have never done a zinc w/dichromate, I've heard of it but don't have the right stuff to do it.
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I have never done a zinc w/dichromate, I've heard of it but don't have the right stuff to do it.
It is very toxic (think cancerous ) you have to be careful with it. It is something to have another do unless you are doing a lot of it at a number of different times.
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It is very toxic (think cancerous ) you have to be careful with it. It is something to have another do unless you are doing a lot of it at a number of different times.
Just a little sniff of the dye can put you down quickly. This from a guy that stood in allot of very and vapors through my career.
There are other yellow dyes that I've run across but never played with them enough to see if they could be substitute, how much to use, soak time, .....
This stuff is really bad news.
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I'd expect the finishes to be the same, except for those noted (shoe spring colors and plating of discs). BTW, I ended up with several bags of NOS discs, they're all gold. I'm set for a while ;D
Care to sell any? PM me. I paypal too.
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Care to sell any? PM me. I paypal too.
No, sorry. They are too hard to find.
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No, sorry. They are too hard to find.
The NOS shoe hold down discs are hard to find? I'll have to check with Fred.
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They're something not always available. Here are some on ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/16-PCS-FORD-1949-1978-RETAINER-CUP-BRAKE-SHOE-HOLD-DOWN-B7A-2066-A-OEM/253408000414?epid=1926768434&hash=item3b004b399e:g:PkAAAOSw3ydV7Ndd&vxp=mtr
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Did our kars come with the gold-plated discs originally?
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Did our kars come with the gold-plated discs originally?
Yes, I wouldn't have linked to them if that wasn't the case.
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Yes, I wouldn't have linked to them if that wasn't the case.
Well then I must have!
I'll check with Fred to see if he has any.
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Well then I must have!
I'll check with Fred to see if he has any.
I have no affiliation to the ebay link above, but 16 for $15 is a no-brainer.
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Well then I must have!
I'll check with Fred to see if he has any.
You keep on mentioning "Fred"...is this someone we all should know who he is?
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yes. Very much so. But I assumed most of you did. He has rare OEM parts, especially HiPo parts.
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yes. Very much so. But I assumed most of you did. He has rare OEM parts, especially HiPo parts.
To clarify more Fred Ballard is who the "Fred" reference refers to. Fred is also the one the rebuilds the button top fuelpumps.
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To clarify more Fred Ballard is who the "Fred" reference refers to. Fred is also the one the rebuilds the button top fuelpumps.
That's what I was thinking, but I know of more than one Fred out there. Thanks for the clarification.
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Gents,
Thanks for the inspiration! All components look to be reusable.
I used evaporust, a wire wheel for the toughest muck, brake clean and closest-color paint I could find (note: dupli-color is pontiac-blue), then sprayed components with boeshield.
Evan
Gents,
I was referencing the 1966 Mustang Exploded View Illustration Manual by Jim Osborn Reproductions and noticed the following components missing from my rear drum brakes. Picture shows those items highlighted I am missing.
Question: These obviously aren't critical components and nobody noticed I was missing them so do you guys have them on your rear drum brakes?
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2092--rubber plug-only of the brakes have been previously serviced.
2A787--no, never seen one.
2028---no
372583-S---yes always there.
i have done countless brake jobs over the years and those are my recollections.
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Thank you carlite!
2A787 is the retainer for the parking brake spring washer. I also noticed I'm missing both my LH and RH side of the parking brake cable levers. Perhaps the reason my parking brake never worked.
Part 2028 in the picture, I found out, is for 6 cyl only according to NPD. They call this part the "plate for the brake shoe anchor pin".
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I have no affiliation to the ebay link above, but 16 for $15 is a no-brainer.
50 for less than $10, delivered:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/202147170710
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Thank you carlite!
2A787 is the retainer for the parking brake spring washer. I also noticed I'm missing both my LH and RH side of the parking brake cable levers. Perhaps the reason my parking brake never worked.
Part 2028 in the picture, I found out, is for 6 cyl only according to NPD. They call this part the "plate for the brake show anchor pin".
I have 2028 on both sides of my 69 Shelby GT350. Goes on before the springs. I'd take a picture but my drums are already on. That way you can't tell if its painted flat or gloss. :-p Just kidding. I cleaned it with brake cleaner and stuck it back in.
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50 for less than $10, delivered:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/202147170710
Those are silver
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Love ebay. Front 2 in pic shows gold.
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I guess for the price, worth finding out! ;D
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I believe these will end up being silver. Careful inspection (given the pic quality) shows silver through the plastic.
I will find out since I need a few for various cars I have.
If I feel the need I can spray them goldish. It's not like anyone can see them.
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I believe these will end up being silver. Careful inspection (given the pic quality) shows silver through the plastic.
I will find out since I need a few for various cars I have.
If I feel the need I can spray them goldish. It's not like anyone can see them.
A easy DIY with paint if you don't have access to dyeing/plating them would be the Eastwood zinc gold faux finish system. It consists of a base coat silver spray paint and three translucent green ,red and gold spray paints . You could get by with just using the translucent gold on that small part. It is already silver after all. I have bought the gold separately before from Eastwood.