Topic: Front Wheelwell Seam Sealer and Sound Deadener - Oct 64 Dearborn Coupe/Fastback

[jtfx6552]

Weld and sealant manual only has one drawing of this area on page 174, and it's says models 63-65-76 and shows a torque box. On cars without torque boxes, what does the seam sealer do below where the torque box isn't? Is there seam sealer between the frame rail and the toe board? Pictures of this area if anyone has them would be much appreciated.

i'm also intersted in what the sound deadener looks like in this area too, how far does it go down the outer inner fender, does it hit the frame rail at all, does it cover the firewall/toeboard area completely between the inner fender and the inner cowl side panel? Mainly trying to figure out what to so with my car, date and plant in signature.

[J_Speegle]

Weld and sealant manual only has one drawing of this area on page 174, and it's says models 63-65-76 and shows a torque box. On cars without torque boxes, what does the seam sealer do below where the torque box isn't? Is there seam sealer between the frame rail and the toe board? Pictures of this area if anyone has them would be much appreciated.

Please don't use the assembly manuals by themselves to paint or apply sealants and the like if your restoring the car

Hope these help. In most of the examples the seam sealer developed rust underneath so it fell off in those areas making it a little easier to see in these examples

Converting and highlighting some pictures. Seems the new Foxfire version is getting in the way of up loading   Will follow up

Here you go - hope this helps






On this example it appears the worker had some extra sealant so he just wiped the applicator off on the frame rail edge. Its not uncommon to find this in other parts of the car and other sealant applications. Guess it was better than wiping it off on their coveralls or fling it on the next worker.  Green arrow first picture

[J_Speegle]

I'm also intersted in what the sound deadener looks like in this area too, how far does it go down the outer inner fender, does it hit the frame rail at all, does it cover the firewall/toeboard area completely between the inner fender and the inner cowl side panel? Mainly trying to figure out what to so with my car, date and plant in signature.

Depends on the pattern the worker choose. If the path took it near, ended or started there (on the frame rail) then yes you would have it on the frame rail, any brackets, fuel line, brake line, grommet, bumper bracket, front valance ....... behind or where overspray would naturally travel.  Sometimes referred to as "magic sound deadener"

In judging its not unusual for judges to deduct for patterns that stop suddenly, don't make sense, look like they were tapped off and so on. Remember that this application was applied after the car was completely together minus the front wheels and tires and applied from below the car. This often helps as you plan out how you will apply the product you've chosen.


From an earlier thread




Light/or minimal application






HEAVY Application Front inner apron  and back side of headlight area



Bottom of fender area



Rear inner and firewall section




Highlighted to show what appears to be 5 passes with the application wand on this example - each different color

[jtfx6552]

Thanks! Great pictures.

[jtfx6552]

Did the sound deadener typically hit the back side of the cowl side panels?

[CharlesTurner]

Did the sound deadener typically hit the back side of the cowl side panels?

The splash shields usually would prevent that from happening.  It's possible to see a slight blow-through at the corner extension from the cowl to rear inner fenders.

[jtfx6552]

Thanks Charles, Sorry it's a hard place to describe. I meant the side of the cowl panel that abuts the toe boards.

[J_Speegle]

Did the sound deadener typically hit the back side of the cowl side panels?

If I understand correct your describing the outer surface (straight down panel) at the bottom of the angled up floor section in the wheel well opposite the frame rail outer face.

If so no in general that would require the worker spraying the material to spray intentionally outward a miss or a wand passing beyond the edge would mean sound deadener not on the car but somewhere else in the station and some clean up time.

Worker focused on the floor board, frame rail to floor board seam moving up or downward from the firewall face and or the rear inner fender panel/apron

[jtfx6552]

If I understand correct your describing the outer surface (straight down panel) at the bottom of the angled up floor section in the wheel well opposite the frame rail outer face.

If so no in general that would require the worker spraying the material to spray intentionally outward a miss or a wand passing beyond the edge would mean sound deadener not on the car but somewhere else in the station and some clean up time.

Worker focused on the floor board, frame rail to floor board seam moving up or downward from the firewall face and or the rear inner fender panel/apron

Makes sense, that's what I was thinking.