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Offline 67gta289

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Help ID intake manifold vacuum outlet "tree"
« on: November 25, 2018, 10:41:59 AM »
I could use some help identifying the part numbers for the three "fitting assembly - intake manifold vacuum outlet" included in the attached pictures.  The core part number is 9A474.  If we can't figure out the part number, specific applications would be the alternative.

The MPC lists many 9A474 parts - most being brass.  In reviewing some of the steelies...

C8VY-9A474-B is described as "steel - 3/8"-18 external pipe thread - with (2) capped outlet tubes"
C8AZ-9A474-F is described as "steel - 3/8"-18 external pipe thread - with (1) compression nut and (4) outlet tubes"

Basically I've gone through them all and can't find a description that matches the parts I have.

For the brass one, it appears to be a C8AZ-9A474-B or perhaps a C6AZ-9A474-A.

All help is appreciated.
John
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Offline Bob Gaines

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Re: Help ID intake manifold vacuum outlet "tree"
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2018, 02:17:54 PM »
I could use some help identifying the part numbers for the three "fitting assembly - intake manifold vacuum outlet" included in the attached pictures.  The core part number is 9A474.  If we can't figure out the part number, specific applications would be the alternative.

The MPC lists many 9A474 parts - most being brass.  In reviewing some of the steelies...

C8VY-9A474-B is described as "steel - 3/8"-18 external pipe thread - with (2) capped outlet tubes"
C8AZ-9A474-F is described as "steel - 3/8"-18 external pipe thread - with (1) compression nut and (4) outlet tubes"

Basically I've gone through them all and can't find a description that matches the parts I have.

For the brass one, it appears to be a C8AZ-9A474-B or perhaps a C6AZ-9A474-A.

All help is appreciated.
I can't tell you what part number it is because I have always sourced them used by visual recognition. The brass fitting was used on some 68-70 small blocks and all bigblock Mustangs for accessories. The brass block was also used on 67 big block applications depending on accessories. I have only seen the other fitting on 68 small block v8's minus the screw in elbow fitting. There may be other applications and year usage but given the ones I mentioned you should be able to go to the assembly manuals of the respective years and hopefully deduce what the part number is from the lists for parts identified in the manual.
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Re: Help ID intake manifold vacuum outlet "tree"
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2018, 02:39:49 PM »
Thanks Bob
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Re: Help ID intake manifold vacuum outlet "tree"
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2018, 06:18:54 PM »
I'm in the same camp as Bob- never paid much attention to the part numbers as they are rarely found NOS but instead used or installed.

The brass version you have of the block as the extra/additional port at the end (single pot) which is different from the more often seen one with only the two side nipples and no single.  But hat apparently is not what your focusing on or the applications :(  so can't, in this moment, be of any help
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Re: Help ID intake manifold vacuum outlet "tree"
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2018, 12:58:33 PM »
Regarding the second photo - I see those same two pieces together on '67 - 68 Mercury Cougars and 67 - 68 Ford Mustangs with AC and either 289 or 302 power. You need that many nipples for accessories. I suspect the same parts would be used on most Ford / Mercury products equipped with either engine and AC. Those are very common items.


I could use some help identifying the part numbers for the three "fitting assembly - intake manifold vacuum outlet" included in the attached pictures.  The core part number is 9A474.  If we can't figure out the part number, specific applications would be the alternative.

The MPC lists many 9A474 parts - most being brass.  In reviewing some of the steelies...

C8VY-9A474-B is described as "steel - 3/8"-18 external pipe thread - with (2) capped outlet tubes"
C8AZ-9A474-F is described as "steel - 3/8"-18 external pipe thread - with (1) compression nut and (4) outlet tubes"

Basically I've gone through them all and can't find a description that matches the parts I have.

For the brass one, it appears to be a C8AZ-9A474-B or perhaps a C6AZ-9A474-A.

All help is appreciated.
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Re: Help ID intake manifold vacuum outlet "tree"
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2018, 03:15:12 PM »
John : I may be able to help some here, or add to the confusion if nothing else. First, stating with the bottom photo : For the Brass fitting, we can rule out it being the C6AZ . I say this based on the "Vacuum Fittings" chart from Osborne's reproduction 1967 Mustang Chassis Assembly Manual, and the pictures that follow of an NOS C6AZ-A fitting. Note that the C6AZ only has 2 nipples on it, while the one you pictured has a third nipple at 90o to the other 2. The one with the 3 nipples that you show is apparently the C8 one (see page from Mannel's book, referenced later). However, to add to the confusion here is that in the 1966, 1967, 1960-68 and 1965-72 MPC's, the C6AZ-9A474-A is show for 6 cylinder applications, while the C6AZ-9A474-B is shown for 8 cylinder applications. The description of the "-A" and "-B" is identical in all of the MPC's. Unfortunately, I do not have an NOS C6AZ-B to compare. My thoughts were that the difference could be that on the "-B" the 2 nipples were the same size (as I have seen fittings that look identical to the "-A" except for that, although not on a 65-67 289 or 390), but that would mean that the picture previously mentioned from Mannel's book is incorrect. Possible, but doubtful. In any case, there wouldn't really be any difference in using either one as they would of course function the same.
I did check my OSI catalogs to see if the "-A" was ever replaced by the "-B", or vice versa, and no, that did not occur. As a matter of fact, both the "-A" and "-B" were available until sometime between January 1983 and January 1987, when they were both finally shown as "NR".

On the vacuum tree shown attached to the C6AZ fitting, that has me puzzled. In all of the MPC's previously noted, plus the 1973-77 and the 1980-89, T could find no description of a vacuum tree with external 3/8-18 threads on both ends (although the descriptions in the 73-77 and 80-89 are not near as detailed as the earlier ones). So, I don't have a clue what this tree is for.

Now for your first picture. This is a little baffling too. The vacuum tree appears to have a heater hose type elbow attached on top, which makes one think that the vacuum tree might be a distributor advance control tee, yet there is no temperature bulb. Thus, possibly this elbow was used in place of a flared fitting and tubing for an accessory ? As for the vacuum tree itself, it appears that it may be one of the "variations" that Bob Mannel noted in his discussion on 1968 Vacuum fittings. I have attached copies of the appropriate pages from his book (“Used with permission by Bob Mannel”). Of course, no Part Numbers are noted.

That's about all I can add to the discussion. Unfortunately, it doesn't really answer your question about Part Numbers. I think the only sure way to find that answer is to find these that are NOS and in the package.

Bob
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Re: Help ID intake manifold vacuum outlet "tree"
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2018, 07:28:15 PM »
Thanks Bob.  I grabbed these from Galaxies and other Ford/Mercury (non Mustang) cars in the junkyard in Colorado do when you were harvesting some 58-59 Ford parts. 
John
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