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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1968 Mustang => Topic started by: mhubert89 on April 24, 2015, 11:50:04 AM
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hi,
can someone told me wich rims i suppose to have on my 68 fastback c code 289, 4 speeds built in Dearborn on April 16th !
picture please ! if they suppose to be gray, chrome ect ...
thanks for any help
Mathieu
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Only a Marti report can tell you what rims your car originally had on it when delivered to the dealership and a sale invoice could tell you what was on it when sold to the first owner. Its rare but sometimes they are different but would suggest the Marti
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Only a Marti report can tell you what rims your car originally had on it when delivered to the dealership and a sale invoice could tell you what was on it when sold to the first owner. Its rare but sometimes they are different but would suggest the Marti
here my Marti...don't know where to see that !!
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That is too low of a resolution to read. Can you do better?
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That is too low of a resolution to read. Can you do better?
That comes up as a 2" square on my monitor
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That comes up as a 2" square on my monitor
and now ?
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You need to increase the size of your picture. Go into the menu of the camera and pick a larger size.
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If you had posted it in a gallery for your use here we might be able to fix it for you - and it would show up as long as the site stays up. (reminder for all members)
If you loose the other account - the other site closes or you go inactive- the link will break and there will just be a blank in its place.
Just a thought about where we all link our pictures from - Same issue we're seeing with Ebay, Craig's list........ links to ads. Once they are gone so are the pictures :(
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sorry about the picture, Jeff will try to put it back in a bigger size ! Thanks too him for the help ! will see after he put back the picture !
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Here is the Marti mhubert89 supplied
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/3/6-250415130838.jpeg)
Looking through other reports for 68's I found listed
1- No wheels or hubcaps mentioned when the "GT equipment group" was listed except for a mention when "chrome styled steel wheels" was included
2- "Style steel wheels" without the GT option
3- Wheel covers
4- Deluxe wheel covers
5- Like the one shown above - no wheel cover or wheel listed
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Did Ford sell Mustangs in 68 with just a plain steel wheel and no hubcap whatsoever? Maybe that is the case here.
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Did Ford sell Mustangs in 68 with just a plain steel wheel and no hubcap whatsoever? Maybe that is the case here.
Not on production cars sold to the general public IMO
Reports don't list trunk mats, .... but they still were normally delivered with those items ;)
Believe what we're seeing here is a car built and delivered with body color wheels and "dog dish" hubcaps (base model) with the possibility of the dealer up-selling the buyer to something "better" and at additional cost.
Some dealers it seemed like to order cars without radios in a hope to see the buyers more expensive radios once they got to the dealership
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Not on production cars sold to the general public IMO
Believe what we're seeing here is a car built and delivered with body color wheels and "dog dish" hubcaps (base model) with the possibility of the dealer up-selling the buyer to something "better" and at additional cost.
+1 on Jeff's comments
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Unrelated to the topic, "Louvered Hood" was optional on the 68's? guess I've seen only 68's that all had a louvered hood maybe...I cannot recall seeing one without or never paid enough attention before to them.
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Turn signal hood was standard on 68s pre-strike. Once production started up again at the end of November 1967, Ford eliminated several features and made others optional. The turn signal hood was one that became optional.
Regards,
Pete Morgan
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so i will never be able to find the exact rims that my car suppose to come with ? anybody have a picture of a unrestored 68 fastback with a similar built date and marti ?
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so i will never be able to find the exact rims that my car suppose to come with ?
Not sure what this means - if we're correct should not be a big problem. Standard wheel (just like 10's of thousands of others) painted body color
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/3/6-260415002241.jpeg)
Looks like someone painted the wheels black and only recently that paint has started to wear through showing the body color under
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/3/6-260415002853.jpeg)
There is also (sorry another coupe) this thread of another 68 Dearborn base wheel and hubcap car
http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=5365.msg30131#msg30131
anybody have a picture of a unrestored 68 fastback with a similar built date and marti
So many owners have changed to styled steel wheels or after market over the years - I don't have a match
This unrestored car had the same sort of Marti (no hubcaps listed ) as yours
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/3/6-260415002230.jpeg)
In that recent thread with the 68 bench seat coupe with the painted wheels - that was up sold to the full hubcaps (we did talk to the original owner and saw the final sales receipt) I did find that I got a shot of the window sticker as shown below. Since it reflects the way the car was delivered to the dealer you'll notice no hubcaps mentioned/listed at that time
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/3/6-260415002907.jpeg)
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One would assume that the standard rims were used, and as noted the base hubcap is likely as no optional rims or caps are called out on the Marti.
For the "exact rims" it is likely they should be the base steel unit, FoMoCo oval logo stamped with "yMm" where y = 7 or 8 (for a 67 or 68 year), M is the makers mark (MotorWheel, I believe) and m = month. That would indicate the correct rim....
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.,.........For the "exact rims" it is likely they should be the base steel unit, FoMoCo oval logo stamped with "yMm" where y = 7 or 8 (for a 67 or 68 year), M is the makers mark (MotorWheel, I believe) and m = month. That would indicate the correct rim....
Believe we'll find that Kelsey Hayes was also a supplier of standard rims/wheels.
Like shocks and other parts specific suppliers may differ depending on assembly plant
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According a few different Ford documents, in 67 the base fastback wheel cover was the "full" wheel cover. Did that get dropped for 68, either at the beginning of the model year or after the strike?
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i have this rims on the cars right now...didn't know if they are right for my car !!
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According a few different Ford documents, in 67 the base fastback wheel cover was the "full" wheel cover. Did that get dropped for 68, either at the beginning of the model year or after the strike?
I can find no mention of the full wheel covers in any of the Ford documents I have pre or post strike. That said I do not recall ever seeing a 68 fastback with the painted rims a dog dish caps.
Marty
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i have this rims on the cars right now...didn't know if they are right for my car !!
They are not likely original to your car with a 63 date code.
Marty
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They are not likely original to your car with a 63 date code.
Marty
do you have a picture of what suppose to be on my car from the factory ?
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F70-14 tire on a painted steel wheel is not common.
Ford did not give away Style Steel wheels though so that is what you got.
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this hubcap will be pretty hard to find !? never seen them ...they dont do repop for this too probably ?
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and what look the rims without the hubcap ?
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The painted rims were just the standard rim that was painted body color. The rim you pictured would be fine if it had a 8 in the date code.
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this hubcap will be pretty hard to find !? never seen them ...they dont do repop for this too probably ?
Have seen fastbacks with the painted wheels and small hubcaps - believe most were restored so didn't take any pictures :(
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And they are not specifically Mustang hubcaps so when you search look for Ford rather than just Mustang. No don't think anyone will reproduce these
Hard to say for sure in all of the car photos that were posted, but most look like they may have the running horse logo. That cap is p/n C8ZA-1130-D. The caps with the Ford crest are p/n C8AA-1130-D.
As of this writing there are five loose C8ZAs on ebay, and three full sets of C8AAs + three loose ones.
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Hard to say for sure in all of the car photos that were posted, but most look like they may have the running horse logo. That cap is p/n C8ZA-1130-D. The caps with the Ford crest are p/n C8AA-1130-D.
No your correct - forgot that Mustangs got their own dog dish ones in 68
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No your correct - forgot that Mustangs got their own dog dish ones in 68
Me too until I looked it up! ::)
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Just a follow up question on the subject... when did Ford stop using the centre with three tabs to hold the hub cap and the center looks as this picture (like the one with 1963 date code earlier in this post) and when did they start using this other center part with four tabs and another pressing between the lug holes (next picture)? I think this may be in 196...8...?
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Claes
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Just a follow up question on the subject... when did Ford stop using the centre with three tabs to hold the hub cap and the center looks as this picture (like the one with 1963 date code earlier in this post) and when did they start using this other center part with four tabs and another pressing between the lug holes (next picture)? I think this may be in 196...8...?
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Claes
The images attached with Claes post speak some of what I write below, but not all. The 1st image is a "drum brake" style and the 2nd is the 69?-up disc brake with a larger center hole too (somewhere in the 70's? Ford went to the larger center hole, memory not clear on that note)
I can not give any date, but it seems that by like 1969 Ford had switched out to mostly the "all disc brake" version of the standard wheel. Going off memory, after Ford started selling disc brake vehicles, Ford was using a different wheel for "drum brake" cars and another version for "disc brake" cars.(presumably Mustang also). I am not cross-checking this knowledge with the Master Parts catalog but maybe somebody with easier access to the catalog might be able to confirm what I am writing. (I am writing this from memory). Hollander Interchange is listing for the O.P. of this thread two possible wheels. a 14x5.5 wheel and a 14x6 wheel. Quite possible that is how to identify the "disc" or "drum", I wouldn't say...but I DO REMEMBER disc wheels were different and could be spotted with a trained eye. Since the O.P. has "drum brakes" I would almost assume he should have the 14x5.5 wheels.
The 4-tab type would likely be one of those indicators, and the main other indicator (using my old "junkyard knowledge") was the curving between where the dog dish hubcap locks onto the tabs & where the center of the wheel meets up to the outer ring of the wheel. Disc brake versions were more "flat" in that area while drum brake versions were more a"rounded" look. Disc wheels would fit onto drum cars, but not vice-versa. Later versions would fit all and eventually, Ford switched out to a larger center hole that would also fit onto Mopar products. (There, I now purged some of that "useless knowledge" that was locked up in the vault/brain) Hopefully this could help spur another member to give the the Original Poster in this thread a better image of the exact wheel he is looking for. I think the wheel cover issue has been nailed down already but Yes, I remember the 68 Mustangs with their own version of the dog dish too and waited out on that reply.
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Just a follow up question on the subject... when did Ford stop using the centre with three tabs to hold the hub cap and the center looks as this picture (like the one with 1963 date code earlier in this post) and when did they start using this other center part with four tabs and another pressing between the lug holes (next picture)?
Change (on how the small cap is retainer to the center of the wheel) came with the 68 Production or very close to it from what I'm seeing
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Sorry to (almost) duplicate the 1968 Dearborn standard rims thread as the one here http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=11028.0 (http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=11028.0)
My c-code coupe doesn't have anything special listed in the Marti report. I bought the car with an aftermarket Cragar s/s chromed 14", which I believe were not original to the car.
No invoice, other sales documents or build sheet available for the car. Attached is the Marti report.
I assume I should put the steel 14", 5x 4.5" rims, painted body color? What is the rim design - is it like in the pic attached? I don't want to end up trying to fit a mazda rim on my mustang ;)
Hubcaps as well? Which ones?
C6OZ-1130-*
C7ZZ-1130-E
C8AZ-1130-J
C8OZ-1130-G
C8ZZ-1130-*
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Yes if the Marti report is complete and accurate (see no reason to question) it would indicate the standard/basic wheel and hubcap is what it arrived equipped with to the dealership
A similar car can be viewed in the Jan? 68 San Jose C code bench seat coupe - Unrestored Picture Thread located in the Unrestored picture section of the site. Though the buyer of that car originally got the hubcaps changed at the dealership before they purchased the car so you end up with body color wheels with full wheel covers. A picture of the spare is shown below
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/6/6-020417192903-692384.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/6/6-020417192902-6922657.jpeg)
As discussed in the other thread the small diameter "dog dish" hub caps would be what it arrived with. Often in the trunk of the car for transport
Will be joining this thread with the earlier
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Although Richard stated it, I'll restate that the major change from pre-68 to 68-up are the built in lugs or bumps that hold the dog dish cap on.
67 and earlier had the three lugs or bumps.
68 and later had the 4 lugs or bumps.
Once you see this it's real easy to thin the herd.
Yes, there are many more details to look for, but this cuts the field down by a lot.
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Bill, those lugs/ bumps you refer to, are those marked in the pic?
Do you know more technical details of the rim - the width and the offset (ET)?
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I'm headed out to give Fedex a lot of money to ship my interior quarter panels.
Yes, those are the hub cap lugs or bumps. Up through 67 there are three. 68 and up has four.
Be aware that are different sizes of the "circle" in which the lugs are stamped.
You can tell those are K/H wheels quite easily as the area between each one of the lug bolt holes is raised and rounded. I believe K/H was still a wheel vendor during this time.
Others can help with size ... gotta run.
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Bill, those lugs/ bumps you refer to, are those marked in the pic?
A comparison. 68-up on the lower right
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/11/6-250219142316.jpeg)
Do you know more technical details of the rim - the width and the offset (ET)?
Have you looked in a copy of MPC? From those descriptions and specifications we can confirm the data
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According to the 60-68 MPC, 68 is different than preceding years in that only three callouts are made for standard wheels.
6 cyl: 14x5 stamped C8DA-1007-AW or BW
(no designation): 14x5 stamped C8OA-1007-EW, FW, GW or HW
(no designation): 14x6 stamped C8ZA-1007-AW, BW or CW
All the other wheels listed are styled steel or chrome.
It appears (opinion rather than hard fact) that Ford decided that one wheel for drum of disc would cut down on number of items in inventory since disc or drum is not noted.
I also suspect that the wider wheel is for the optional, wider tires.