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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1967 Mustang => Topic started by: 1967 eight barrel on March 10, 2015, 02:40:23 PM
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Hello, I am new to the forum, but could use some help with a couple pictures. I need a picture of the speedometer cable clip closest to the accelerator bellcrank on the firewall if someone would be so kind. There seems to be more than one style clip and I am trying to make a determination as to which is correct for a SJ Dec 66 build.
Kindest Regards,
-Keith
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Not sure where your car was built, or if that makes a difference....but here is a picture that may help. The view is from the driver's side front wheel area. The rear fender apron has been removed. You can see the speedometer cable routing and the clip. Please note, my car is a 3sp manual, which is routed over to the passenger side of the transmission. Just ignore that rust!
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Picture attached!
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That is the little bastage. It appears the listing in the catalogs are incorrect. NPD and West Coast Cougar show a formed clip that is much different. The pictures I have been provided only show this style clip on '69 four speed vehicles. So that now removes the mystery from the equation. I have been posting for this on the SAAC site, where you would think being there are a lot more four speed cars than automatics, that it would be something easy to post from their own vehicle. Thank you for the assistance in confirming what was removed 30 years ago.
-Keith
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Well, I now have the Part and it's part number. 371992-S32, which morphs to a 371992S, which was replaced in zinc Vs the S32 finish, which would have been olive drab paint.
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I have been posting for this on the SAAC site, where you would think being there are a lot more four speed cars than automatics, that it would be something easy to post from their own vehicle.
Remember/consider that allot of the Shelbys have already been "restored" once or twice and often are missing the little stuff ;)
Well, I now have the Part and it's part number. 371992-S32, which morphs to a 371992S, which was replaced in zinc Vs the S32 finish, which would have been olive drab paint.
Are you describing the mounting hardware or the clip/retainer?
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Are you describing the mounting hardware or the clip/retainer?
I am referencing the J clip that attaches to the bottom bolt on the accelerator pedal bracket in the engine compartment.
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I am referencing the J clip that attaches to the bottom bolt on the accelerator pedal bracket in the engine compartment.
Will look some more - can't recall ever seeing a mounting bracket or retainer in olive drab. Believe the retaining clips for like studs in that finish don't look painted - guess I should put some stripper on one and see if it lifts
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That clip would be exposed to exhaust heat constantly as well. I thought it a strange choice of finish considering the location as well.
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That clip would be exposed to exhaust heat constantly as well. I thought it a strange choice of finish considering the location as well.
What reference gave you that finish? Wasn't one of the later MPC's. As I wrote never have I seen on that finish (though 69's) and would expect that if shown there would be questions or deductions by the judges
Thought I would ask the same question of you here so as not to have the members here miss any of the discussion ;)
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I got in contact with a long term friend at Mustangs Etc. He found the number. I bought a new Osborne chassis assembly manual, and found it there as well. Page 25,view W; Which also supports the part number and supplied information as well.
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..........I bought a new Osborne chassis assembly manual, and found it there as well. Page 25,view W; Which also supports the part number and supplied information as well.
Wouldn't be the first time that the Assembly manuals were different from what they did on the line ;) Not that it makes allot of different what is the change date from that page?
Looking at a mid 68 production year MPC page I don't see 371992-S32 listed for your application. I see 371992-S2 listed as a 68 application - no parts carriedlisted for the 67 application, other than for cars with cruise control. Interesting that there is no difference listed between big, small or 6 cylinder nor transmission type. They are described only as a clip
Going through 10K of Shelby pictures did find two though it will not help with the original finish.
First is a very early car in the #400's and the second is from a car in the #2400's. Attached differently. Might just be one of the many running changes 67 is so "famous" for
Not an easy lace to get a picture of - if the engine is in the car its in the way. If its out they often remove or disconnect the speedo almost completely
The design/shape (at least the first one) looks different from the 69 version but can't be sure without each in hand to compare.
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Jeff:
I could only go off my memory, however the same question I posted over in the SAAC forum yielded the same clip. A J clip on the center bolt on the accelerator bell crank bracket. The service part is actually zinc finished, but it looks just like picture example above in this thread. It'd be interesting to see what you find from a production part for a '67 San Jose plant vehicle.
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Jeff:
I could only go off my memory, however the same question I posted over in the SAAC forum yielded the same clip.
Just look again at that thread and the only two pictures posted there are different - Top one was posted from here and was out of my collection - not from 67- either of them
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Jeff:
So what is the consensus? J clip, no clip, or the more complicated offering I saw in the pictures posted in the SAAC forum that was silver cadmium, likely from a 1969/70 four speed vehicle? Is the first picture posted here from a 1967 vehicle? The picture posted here matches the new 1967 Mustang assembly manual too. The Osborne manual I bought about 13 years ago or so didn't even show view W, on page 25. The new one does as well as matching two postings from both forums. The ones you put up this morning are different yet. I believe Bob also said that the J clip was correct. I am now becoming confused as to what should be used/considered proper. I will post the reproduction I obtained and the Ford clip. I'll use what you determine as correct. I am not trying to impute anyone's knowledge, just make the correct determination so the vehicle is correct, other than a few variations due to day two modifications.
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....... Is the first picture posted here from a 1967 vehicle?
As I included in that post that picture is from a 67 Shelby in the #400's - currently as close as I could find a picture to your cars number
The picture posted here matches the new 1967 Mustang assembly manual too. The Osborne manual I bought about 13 years ago or so didn't even show view W, on page 25...........
Interesting that there was an addition from the time that Jim assembled these manuals out a a hug pile of moldy, stinky pages. Not sure what to make of the "new found" pages. Is there a different date on each version - I'm guessing that there should be
Understand - research can be challenging and we often don't have a "smoking gun" Sometimes a builder/owner has to go with a choice - expecting that there will be more information found in the future and an adjust might need to be made. As always IMHO you need to consider the audience (will the car be shown or pictures of this detail get into a magazine where it might influence others) and "error", if it is one, on the safe side for the current moment. Or blaze a new path - often not the easiest of choices if you go that route
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Here are both clips. The clip on the bottom is listed by a few suppliers as correct for 67-70 four speed cars, the one on the top is the Ford listing in the Osborne assembly manual, in zinc, as the S32 finish would indicate olive green.
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I know the post was regarding a 67 FE, but I have a picture of a 68 S code built in NJ. Speedometer cable is not in place, but you can see the clip. Not sure if this helps.
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Looking at what you have to pick from, the pictures posted, your cars assembly date I would suggest that you use the J shaped one as Bob suggested also.
Not sure that the shape of the reproduction is exactly the same since none of the pictures include a nice close look at the flat end - but its what you can find at the moment. Can always quickly change it out later if need be
If we include cars built at other plants during approx the same time they look to have used the same.
mtinkham- Your 68 example appears to be the same or similar to the late 67 San Jose version rather than the early one
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Jeff,
The early does belong on the accelerator bellcrank bracket as well?
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Jeff,
The early does belong on the accelerator bellcrank bracket as well?
Best guess at this moment would be like the one BB non- San Jose example we have. Lower inboard screw on the bell crank rather than the upper one shown in the picture not from a BB
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I was looking for help on the finish of some firewall clips and found this post.
My Osborne doesn't list this clip, but I have some 30 year old pics of the clip installed and a few closeups.
Although there are some comments about early and late install of my particular clip, it is found on my March Shelby 4 speed car. This position looks original as the bolt holding it to the firewall is identical to all the other lag styles here.
I saw no finish I could identify. It looked plain on the back with some black spray bomb on the front from a PO (who must have owned stock in Krylon black).
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The clip in your pictures is close to the drawing of the installed clip in the 68 Mustang Chassis Assembly Manual (AM0025, pg 54) identified as Ford p/n 372186-S (used for the same purpose as the 67 speedometer cable but installed different). Unfortunately neither 372186-S or 371992-S (from the 67 Mustang Chassis Assembly (Am0020, pg 25) is documented in any of the available hardware parts books.
Further examination shows the two clips are of a different design, 371992-S is a "J" clip, 382186-S is a "loop" type.
Jim
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I believe, based on part numbers and tape, that my speedo cable is original. I think the clip is too, but definitive proof -- no.
I went out to the parts car built the same week in SJ to see what it had but since it's a C4 it routes differently. However, there is a factory hole under the speed cable through-hole. This would appear to indicate that SJ had plans for this hole and this clip may be that use on 4 speed cars.
I do try to use words like 'appear', 'think', etc since I am not the original owner and definitive proof is impossible. Even then ...
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Are there any other clips or attachments for the speedometer cable between the clip we have been looking at and the transmission?
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Yes. Here I've zoomed in on a pic of the passenger side of the trannie. It's the only pic I have of that detail. I believe that's another clip.
This is noted in the Chassis Manual on page 25 for 4 speeds at circle 'U', I believe.
I think the orange pipe on that side is the exhaust. At the time of this pic I had removed the engine but the trans was held up with cords, as was the exhaust. The attachment point looks like a silver circle.
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The print quality is so bad on this page in my assembly manual it is hard to tell where the clip mounts and what type of clip it is. I noticed on my speedometer cable housing there is a metal band, that is probably where the clip is to go on it.
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Good call on that being the barrel band on the cable.
According to circle 'U' in the Assembly Manual it should be mounted with a 'P' shaped clip.
The picture would seem to indicate the clip completely encircles the band.
However, my personal disassembly manual indicates "speedo cable/pax floor holder" was a J hook (I drew a question mark without the period).
My manual also indicates validates my picture of the clip under the accelerator firewall opening.
Previous notations on whether or not my car is stock should apply.
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I posted this some time ago. However, I found two cars. One Oct 66, the other Dec 66. Both had a J clip, not a loop/barrel clip like your illustration. The barrel clip I posted was a '69 and later. The J clips are mounted on the bottom bolt of the accelerator pedal.
-Keith
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I posted this some time ago. However, I found two cars. One Oct 66, the other Dec 66. Both had a J clip, not a loop/barrel clip like your illustration.
Another example of a "running change".
Jim
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I do not believe anyone has mentioned the speedometer cable support clip on the floor pan support which is done on the passenger side of four speed manual cars. The same clip is used as the one used on the opposite side if the car had an automatic or three speed manual.
Are there any other clips or attachments for the speedometer cable between the clip we have been looking at and the transmission?
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I realize that the discussion is for early '67, but I wanted to post this picture as I think they are the same as used on my early '68.
This is just to get a clear view of the clips, not suggesting application.
Thx
Chris
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I do not believe anyone has mentioned the speedometer cable support clip on the floor pan support which is done on the passenger side of four speed manual cars. The same clip is used as the one used on the opposite side if the car had an automatic or three speed manual.
I assume you are referring to 379816-S32 as shown (poorly) on the 67 Mustang Chassis Assembly Manual (AM0020) page 25, yiew Y, shown pictorially in "Ford Standard And Utility Parts Catalog, January 1969", page 43, and documented in the library on Mustang Hardware Spreadsheet 67-68. It's also used on 69 thru 73 Mustangs
That one doesn't seem to be a problem - but it appears to be missing from the 68 Chassis Manual (ref AM0025 page 54, view Y). The drawing showing the installation is there, the part number is missing. It will be added to the next release of the Hardware Spreadsheets. I recommend that those with a 68 Mustang and having, and using, a copy of the 68 Chassis Manual add part number 379818-S32 to view Y on page 54.
Jim
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The clip on the left is the right side retainer on the floorboard, the one in the center would be for late 68-up at the accelerator pedal and the far right would be for the LH apron. Of course, the pinch clips are missing from the extreme left and right clips. The J clip is listed in 67 assembly manual and correct on my Early Shelby is: 371992 S32. ] I had the factory cable twist up in the housing so I had to replace cable assembly. They lack the metal ferrule that is crimped on the factory cable that keeps the cable from moving on the RH side. The cable shifted enough to melt on the exhaust so It's going to necessitate replacing with the barrel clip to keep it from moving.
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Does anyone have a picture of the LH clip installed? I am not sure of location and do not want to drill a hole incorrectly.
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Not my car, but mine is in same place.
Chris
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Not my car, but mine is in same place.
Chris
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Is that clip the one on the LH or RH above? Also I thought the clip went around the metal sleeve on the cable?
Thank you for the picture.
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On my '67 it does indeed line up and the metal ferrule with the OE cable.
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On my '67 it does indeed line up and the metal ferrule with the OE cable.
Is it near the location shown in the photo above?
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Is it near the location shown in the photo above?
Just to clarify, I don't know the origin of the above photo, BUT there was a hole in the toe board on my '68 in that location.
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It looks like it may have had a screw in it? Or did it have the pinch type fastener?
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I don’t remember as I removed the speedometer cable 30 years ago. ;D
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I don’t remember as I removed the speedometer cable 30 years ago. ;D
Good things take time!
Thanks for every ones help.
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They use the pinch clip aka butterfly. What's shown in the picture is not what my vehicle had. It was the clip to the far left in Chris' clip extravaganza.
-Keith
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OK thanks Keith.
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The passenger floorboard hole is also used on 67s with manual transmission.
The butterfly is used on 67s there as well.
I would also appreciate a location of this hole as it looks to be in the same place as 67s.
My 67 SJ car used the clip on the right, which is not attached to the accel linkage. I have a pic in another thread. I'll look it up when I get to something other than a phone.
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Bill: My vehicle was 2 Dec 66. What was your production date?
-Keith
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Keith: Ford actual is March 2, 1967.
PO did a floor repair in the pax foot well.
As for the firewall clip, this post applies:
http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=10644.msg135400#msg135400
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That is the later clip, which is being reproduced. Thank you for linking me.
-Keith
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That is the later clip, which is being reproduced.
By who?
Jim
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NPD offers it. Here is the link.
https://www.npdlink.com/product/clip-speedo-cable-at-firewall-made-from-original/169868?backurl=search%2Fproducts%3Fsearch_terms%3Dspeedometer%252Bcable%252Bclip%26top_parent%3D200001%26year%3D1967&year=1967
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Here we go again. The clamp is shown on the assembly drawing as 372186-S. NPD shows 372185-S, or rather Daniel Carpenter does.
"If the shoe fits, wear it."
Jim
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Jim: What Carpender shows isn't what I had. According to Bob Gains it's not correct until '68. Bill says he has that clip illustrated. I presume it's what came off the vehicle when he disassembled it? I worked at clarification with this years ago. No one makes the early clip. I picked up three NOS clips that look more akin to J clip.
-Keith
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The picture I posted is 35 years old. The speedo cable is Ford branded and still has its tags and metal ferrules. It appears original (wear) but who knows.
The number of parts original to this car is quite high and its been a running car prior to me tearing it down.
However, no one knows what happened to the car and its parts prior to my ownership.
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Bill:
One of the issues is that NOS units has a gray housing. The paint wont stick. They do have the steel ferrule/barrel that limited the movement of the cable attached to the right side of the floorboard, the reproductions lack them. Even the Daniel Carpenter unit it is missing on. Otherwise, it's pretty close to the Ford cable.
The issue is: with the Ferrule/Barrel missing the cable moves and in my case wound up on the exhaust. The factory NOS cable I bought from Mansfield Mustang bird-caged in the tube.
I will certainly have to use something on the cable at the right side that stops movement so It doesn't get melted again.
By the way. Be SURE to lubricate the reproductions. The label makes no mention that this is necessary and I can't seem to find anything at the local parts houses. Even NAPA.
-Keith
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NOS ones with the gray housings are service replacements, not like the original factory black housings. The current crop of repro cables have black housings like the originals. NOS ones from the 1960's are black too.
Bill:
One of the issues is that NOS units has a gray housing. The paint wont stick. They do have the steel ferrule/barrel that limited the movement of the cable attached to the right side of the floorboard, the reproductions lack them. Even the Daniel Carpenter unit it is missing on. Otherwise, it's pretty close to the Ford cable.
The issue is: with the Ferrule/Barrel missing the cable moves and in my case wound up on the exhaust. The factory NOS cable I bought from Mansfield Mustang bird-caged in the tube.
I will certainly have to use something on the cable at the right side that stops movement so It doesn't get melted again.
By the way. Be SURE to lubricate the reproductions. The label makes no mention that this is necessary and I can't seem to find anything at the local parts houses. Even NAPA.
-Keith
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Not aware of the repop color history.
However, mine has the original silver placement tags, Ford number and the ferrules in all the right places. And it's black.
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NOS ones with the gray housings are service replacements, not like the original factory black housings. The current crop of repro cables have black housings like the originals. NOS ones from the 1960's are black too.
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