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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1967 Mustang => Topic started by: 67gtasanjose on June 18, 2015, 02:59:42 PM
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I noticed in the FAQ section that it is called out for TRW Power Steering Pumps to be BLACK & Ford/Thompson Pumps Teal blue.
My '67 pump still has a date-correct tag on it:
HBA-BF
I F
6K17B
(actual build date 11/2/66, other power steering parts dated within less than a week of October 17th)
Pump is now painted BLACK and there are NO signs of teal paint underneath. So, if it has been repainted, it must have been stripped maybe? I may have done this during an engine rebuild, I was known to fully strip things like this of paint before repainting.
Richard
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That is exactly what Ford documentation (TSB articles) and original pumps show. Its not unusual to find on painted black after all these years. Not allot of sources (and allot easier to do in black) for the teal color over the years.
Likely seen almost 1000 pumps repainted the wrong color over the years by owners and rebuilders
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That is exactly what Ford documentation (TSB's) and original pumps show. Its not unusual to find on painted black after all these years. Not allot of sources (and allot easier to do in black) for the teal color over the years.
Likely seen almost 1000 pumps repainted the wrong color over the years by owners and rebuilders
Thank you Jeff, and I assume I read the tag correctly (referring tthe "I F" in the tag's center line mentioned in first post) thus confirming it as a Ford/Thompson pump.
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So yesterday, I stripped the black paint off my pump and low and behold...I find some TEAL paint! This must have been one of the first things I changed, probably whenever I rebuilt the engine in '78. I just bumped into this old thread and see I was questioning it. MORE has been revealed over time, just how many changes I did over time, all the while thinking I was leaving it original over the years. 8) :o :D ;)
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remember teal is a shade of blue.....for the pumps just remember 'ford blue' .......that's how i do it.
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So yesterday, I stripped the black paint off my pump and low and behold...I find some TEAL paint! This must have been one of the first things I changed, probably whenever I rebuilt the engine in '78. I just bumped into this old thread and see I was questioning it. MORE has been revealed over time, just how many changes I did over time, all the while thinking I was leaving it original over the years. 8) :o :D ;)
Just an example of why we "question" (in the nicest way possible) long term owners or original owners when they make statements that conflict with our current beliefs. Sometimes the conversation starts is looking/investigating in a new direction sometimes its just poor memory. Though some will put up a pretty good fight/argument to support their memory :)
Think we all done it whether it’s publically or just in our minds
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remember teal is a shade of blue.....for the pumps just remember 'ford blue' .......that's how i do it.
Just for clarification so that others reading don't get confused, the color Ford blue in this case is used as a memory technique to remember which MFG (TRW or Ford Thompson) was a the teal. Ford blue which typically refers to engine color is not the color the Ford Thompson pumps were painted at the MFG .
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Not sure which pump thread to use for this question.
I've seen a number of pump tags with the second line of "I F".
It appears the capital I is more of a Roman numeral "I" than a simple capital letter.
My pump reads "III".
Do we know if this is a revision level or something else?
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Hello Bossbill,
My tag reeds :
HBA BF
I F
6M20 C
And I assume that the color is teal blue...
Kind regards,
Jeroen
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My tag reeds :
HBA BF
I F
6M20 C
And I assume that the color is teal blue...
As indicated and confirmed by the "F" in the middle line of the tag
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Hello Bossbill,
My tag reeds :
HBA BF
I F
6M20 C
And I assume that the color is teal blue...
Kind regards,
Jeroen
You may want to double check to confirm you have the correct PS pulley for your application. It is hard to tell from the angle in the picture to be sure.
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Hello Bossbill,
My tag reeds :
HBA BF
I F
6M20 C
And I assume that the color is teal blue...
Kind regards,
Jeroen
That color looks like Ford blue, not teal. Teal has a lot more green in it.
Your dipstick on the pump is either the short bent "L" version or broken. Or the photo angle makes it hard to see. NPD has a nice round handle replacement. It should not be painted but bright zinc.
I didn't think the tag got painted, but I'll leave that to others.
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That color looks like Ford blue, not teal. Teal has a lot more green in it.
Your dipstick on the pump is either the short bent "L" version or broken. Or the photo angle makes it hard to see. NPD has a nice round handle replacement. It should not be painted but bright zinc.
I didn't think the tag got painted, but I'll leave that to others.
The assemblyline dipstick will have instructions stamped into the thumb pull. Shortly after 68 production started it was changed and stamped farther down the shaft. The repros are the later 68 up variety. They are identical except for the printing but wanted to mention the small detail in case it made a difference. Yes the tag is typically attached to the unit when it is painted.
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Good to know about the tag, Bob.
Teal can have many, many variations. Here is the one I think of when I hear teal.
The bracket in that pic (and from Fastback 2013) looks painted and I think natural aluminum with no paint or sealer is correct.
In my hand is my bracket, which is just aluminum. I believe this finish, which displays the various aluminum types (new and recycled from trimming) is correct.
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Thank you all for the reply's and help!
In attachment pictures of the dipstick and the pulley.
I don't have a picture of the inside of the thumb pull, but when reading the explanation of Bob it must be a later model...
The short bent 'L' handle isn't broken or cracked.
When looking closer (picture 2) there is an other kind of blue just under the lit.
Don't know if that is closer the the term teal ?
But obviously it has been painted afterwards, the inside of the bracket is indeed covered in blue paint.
The tag has been painted over and at the backside it is just bare metal.
Thanks again for all your help!
kind regards,
Jeroen
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As a detail note the tag was attached (held in place by the large nut) to the pump housing when the unit was painted
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Thank you all for the reply's and help!
In attachment pictures of the dipstick and the pulley.
I don't have a picture of the inside of the thumb pull, but when reading the explanation of Bob it must be a later model...
The short bent 'L' handle isn't broken or cracked.
When looking closer (picture 2) there is an other kind of blue just under the lit.
Don't know if that is closer the the term teal ?
But obviously it has been painted afterwards, the inside of the bracket is indeed covered in blue paint.
The tag has been painted over and at the backside it is just bare metal.
Thanks again for all your help!
kind regards,
Jeroen
You have a 1970 and later PS dipstick. The color looks to be something similar to engine blue paint. Although the range of tint can vary on the Teal blue because of batch differences the teal blue paint does not look similar in tint and shade to engine blue paint IMO. I will let others confirm if the 7AE pulley is correct for your application.
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...I will let others confirm if the 7AE pulley is correct for your application.
My Thermactor with AC example has a 7AD pulley.
Page 49 of Chassis assembly manual has the 7AE pulley for nonAC examples.