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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1968 Mustang => Topic started by: ruppstang on August 30, 2015, 04:29:30 PM
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Just double checked many pictures and I have to report (that is what we're here for) that IMHO it appears that not all 67 + 68 may have had the sound deadener pad/underlayment over the gas tank. Not sure if the usage was based on time of production or connected (example deluxe interior cars during those years as it was in later years)
For example we saw a very nice unrestored 68 San Jose car last year That showed evidence of never being played with where the gas tank showed some spray on glue. The same glue was evident in the bottom of the trunk mat (not possible if a layer of underlayment was there. BTW trunk/spare tire board was still in place.
Car was a low optioned car - basic V8 with dog dish hub caps. Great car to see
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/firetrainer/8R01C1267xxtrunkmatglue.jpg)
Jeff I need to reproduce some of these trunk boards. Can you tell me the boards dimensions and location on the tank?
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I would be surprised if Jeff doesn't have the board dimensions, but in the event he does not, I can measure mine for you.
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Jeff I need to reproduce some of these trunk boards. Can you tell me the boards dimensions and location on the tank?
Don't have a 68 version to measure do Dudley if you can help out - please do.
Believe they started out being placed below the drivers side edge of the spare tire for contact/rattle purposes
Going to split this since its taking a little different direction and think it will be easier for others to find as a separate title
Will find and post what pictures I can find of this year and body style
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Jeff I need to reproduce some of these trunk boards. Can you tell me the boards dimensions and location on the tank?
FYI notice the yellow glue used to glue down the trunk mat. That is typical but what is not typical is to find restorers replicating that in their restoration.
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I found 4 samples all measuring 6 x 12 inches. Dearborn Cougar 1967/68, and San Jose Cougar 1968. Looks like 3 dollops of caulk on the rough side to maintain contact with the fuel tank. Looks like the same color of caulk used to seal the fuel tanks.
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I found 4 samples all measuring 6 x 12 inches. Dearborn Cougar 1967/68, and San Jose Cougar 1968. Looks like 3 dollops of caulk on the rough side to maintain contact with the fuel tank. Looks like the same color of caulk used to seal the fuel tanks.
The caulk and its amount :D is typical for factory trunk board installation.
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I found 4 samples all measuring 6 x 12 inches. Dearborn Cougar 1967/68, and San Jose Cougar 1968. Looks like 3 dollops of caulk on the rough side to maintain contact with the fuel tank. Looks like the same color of caulk used to seal the fuel tanks.
Thanks! Can you tell me where on the tank it was located? It looks like it is about 3" from the front but can not see the RH edge.
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I found 4 samples all measuring 6 x 12 inches. Dearborn Cougar 1967/68, and San Jose Cougar 1968. Looks like 3 dollops of caulk on the rough side to maintain contact with the fuel tank. Looks like the same color of caulk used to seal the fuel tanks.
Just wanted to caution viewers with other years. Did check today and the size and method of attachment differs between years and (for adhesive) plants.
Measured one from another year today that was almost three times larger than the 67-8
Board though was the same 3/16th" thickness Not easy to find today
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Surprise 8) - found a few picture to add to the discussion
Hope they help in some way
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/4/6-010915182412-44921272.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/4/6-010915182414-4495139.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/4/6-010915182415-4496224.jpeg)
Looks like front passenger side corner is in the lead ;)
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I have noticed upper passenger corner on the ones I removed for 1967-68. Would imagine this to be true for coupe and fastback, convertible boards probably stuck in a different spot of the fuel tank?
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...... Would imagine this to be true for coupe and fastback, convertible boards probably stuck in a different spot of the fuel tank?
Why? The passenger trunk floor and measurements from the spare tie hold down to the tank and other landmarks are the same, are they not?
Maybe your thinking Cougar ;)
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Thanks Jeff that one is the money shot! The position is a bit perplexing, the jack rests directly to the left of the spare anchor point and that is where I thought the board would be placed.
I got lucky and found a sheet with the correct pattern on it. I believe that the anti rattle board is made of the same material as the early 67 trunk filler board was made of.
Marty
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Thanks Jeff that one is the money shot! The position is a bit perplexing, the jack rests directly to the left of the spare anchor point and that is where I thought the board would be placed.
I got lucky and found a sheet with the correct pattern on it. I believe that the anti rattle board is made of the same material as the early 67 trunk filler board was made of.
Yes surprised it was not positioned better to protect the tank from either the spare or the jack. Maybe that is why the new years version was made much larger
And yes its likely the same provider and material for the drivers side filler on the 65-early half 67
Glad to help
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I haven't logged on for a few days. I will check the measurements on mine, though the already mentioned 6 by 12 sounds close. I don't remember any glue on mine, but it has been a long time since I looked at it.
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Not trying to derail the thread, possibly a good topic for another thread, (read as: move my comment as needed) Topic is on 68 Mustang ant-rattle board details, though Scott brought up 67 Cougars in the discussion too and as with MOST details and running changes I was wondering if a general rule of thumb went along with this topic for both the 67 AND 68 model years, and assembly plant specifics.
For example: (can edit as needed)
a.) 67 Mustangs NEVER used these but 67 Cougars did.
b.) 67 Mustangs used these but only found AFTER such and such date
c.) ALL 68's had these.
d.) This adhesive found used here (plant location) and then (time frame), but this adhesive found "there" (plant location)and "when"(time frame).
Maybe a good topic for further research.
I cannot recall ever seeing one in my 67 (11/66~SJ), but such things may have been viewed as "debris" and tossed out anytime along the way.
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I haven't logged on for a few days. I will check the measurements on mine, though the already mentioned 6 by 12 sounds close. I don't remember any glue on mine, but it has been a long time since I looked at it.
Dudley I would be interested in both the size and position of your board as further conformation of the information Jeff and Scott have given. I would also like a picture of you underlayment.
Marty
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Marty, I will get pictures tonight and measure the board. The only pictures I currently have are of the top surface of the mat, and partials of the tank uncovered on the driver's side. My car has only the trunk mat and no underlayment. The only underlayment is on the axle tunnel forward of the trunk. Early on during my ownership I moved the board without any thought of denoting the position where I found it, so I can't report any accurate location details. I will look at the mat for any tell tale impressions that may help. For now until I get new pictures I will post a couple photos from those that I now have to show the underlayment and part of the tank which shows no evidence of glue residue and there is none on the bottom of the mat or at least none that I can remember, it was loose when I got the car. I have other views of the trunk but of other areas.
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My board measures 6 X 12. It was not glued down and neither was the trunk mat. The underlayment is only on the axle tunnel. Since I had moved the board years ago I did not think to pay close attention to its exact location, my thought is that since it was not glued in place it could have been moved from its factory location long time ago before I acquired the car. However, looking at my board it looks to me as if the rough side was facing down and the smooth side towards the trunk mat. I surmise only because on the back rough side is a straight line rub mark which lines up with the far right rib on the top of the gas tank. I took a picture of the board with the rough side facing up and laying on top of the tank - the mark lines up the tank rib. I also conclude that since the rub mark extends the full length of the board, that the board was laid completely on top of the tank and not towards the end of the tank such that it would have been cantilevered past the tank's end. I took a number of pictures of the trunk from various angles and will post a few, I can post more if anyone desires to see them though they may wander off topic slightly. The 1st pic is the board's top surface, the 2nd is the bottom surface and the 3rd is the bottom surface up laid in place to show the rub mark aligning with the tank's top rib. I included the 4th picture to show the extent of the underlayment and where it ends.
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Thanks Dudley that is helpful. I wonder why there is no underlayment on the tank?
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Thanks Dudley that is helpful. I wonder why there is no underlayment on the tank?
Standard or deluxe interior ?
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I was not aware that in 67-68 that there was a difference. If there is we may need to update the rules.
TRUNK Points
A. Mat and Cardboard: Proper style and type material for year mounted in original location. 67 - gray plaid, stitched corners with burtex backing. 68 - gray splatter design with burtex backing (68 San Jose can have gray plaid, stitched corners with burtex backing). 68 San Jose predominate trunk mat was plaid. All cars with mats have trunk mat underlay ..................................................... 5
Workmanship, condition and cleanliness ......................................................................................... 3
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I was not aware that in 67-68 that there was a difference. If there is we may need to update the rules.
TRUNK Points
A. Mat and Cardboard: Proper style and type material for year mounted in original location. 67 - gray plaid, stitched corners with burtex backing. 68 - gray splatter design with burtex backing (68 San Jose can have gray plaid, stitched corners with burtex backing). 68 San Jose predominate trunk mat was plaid. All cars with mats have trunk mat underlay ..................................................... 5
Workmanship, condition and cleanliness ......................................................................................... 3
the trunk in question could be a anomaly as well.
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I have found many 68 cars to just have a Grey Felt type mat.
Have quite a few of the boards but found more of the larger ones in 69/70 mustang/Cougars cars.
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When was Dudley's car completed in relation to the strike?
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When was Dudley's car completed in relation to the strike?
Way after (May-June 67)
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my car has the standard interior
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Thanks Dudley that is helpful. I wonder why there is no underlayment on the tank?
my car has the standard interior
QUESTIONS on underlayment:
1.) Standard Interior = No underlayment in trunk (above tank) on 68's?
2.) Deluxe Interior = YES, Underlayment expected to be found on the 68's?
3.) California Special & High Country follow the same rules for 68's?
Then, back to the basic request,
4.) "ALL 68's Have the anti-Rattle board, no matter where built, no matter what options?"