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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1967 Mustang => Topic started by: socalgt on September 09, 2015, 11:19:52 AM
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NOTE: This thread originally contained both under hood and trunk lights but after five pages became difficult to follow the two combined inner threads that developed. Because of this on Oct 22, 2023 and is here https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=28998.0 (https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=28998.0)
I understand these were part of the "courtesy light group" option. My car came with that option, so I'm assuming the wiring is still there, in part at least. I'm looking for a picture of these so I can try to locate some originals to install.
Thanks...
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Good LUCK finding parts & pieces to restore this option! I've been hunting the under HOOD light for over a year and had ONLY ONE slip between my fingers. I have found a COUGAR version and Alloy Metal makes the closest reproduction Hood lamp.
On the Trunk lamp, West Coast Cougar sells a Cougar version that can be adapted to fit Mustangs but Cougars were built slightly different in the main tailight wiring area because the feed wire is wrapped into the Cougars taillight wiring. The trunk wire of a Cougar is slightly longer than a Coupe or convertible Mustang and much longer than the orginal Fastback wire on the trunklid lamp. I'f using a Cougar lamp, shortening the length of the trunk lamp wire will be required (wire connected to the lamp, not the wire feeding the lamp or source wire). Then there is the lovely "clip" that hold the trunk wire to the trunk. ...and then also the trunk lid grommet, neither are known to be reproduced.
Welcome to my wild Goose Chase
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Below are some pictures gleaned from Marty Rupps 67 Convertible, a few I took this weekend and a picture of the ellusive hood wiring clip. There are more pictures posted within other threads at this site. (the search feature is your friend). KEEP IN MIND THERE ARE SEVERAL RUNNING CHANGES IN REGARD TO THE CORRECT ARRANGEMENT OF THE HOOD TURN LIGHT WIRING (though I understand there to be only one arrangement for the hood courtesy light wiring). I believe there are more than 4 variations depending on your vehicles build information. Again, this information is discussed in other threads
There has also been a very thorough discussion on the trunk light wiring as well as a different thread on the hood lamp where you should find those other pictures.
Hope this helps some
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Thanks for the pics...another hard to find part...at least I know what to look for now.
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A few pics of the front. The wire runs from the starter relay along the passenger side, across the cross brace, then hops onto the hood, and up to the light. This particular car had a melted wire.
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Here are some better detailed pictures of correct mounting. Interestingly I was deducting for a incorrect hood light. Oh well.
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I'll look again for mine...should be there since the light originally came with the car...but then again...PO did some strange things with the wiring.
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I was under the impression that both the trunk and under hood courtesy light harnesses were not included in vehicles without those options. However, my data set is small. My contribution will be three vehicles:
1. 7R02C156xxx did not have the option, and does not have the wires.
2. 7T01C144xxx did not have the option, and does not have the wires.
3. 7F01C129xxx had the option, and had the wires.
Here are some pictures of the harness that I harvested from 7F01C129xxx
In the first picture, I have highlighted in red the separate, but parallel, wire for the trunk light. It is literally a single wire, with protective sleeve, that runs the distance.
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I brought some images of the trunk & hood light option taken from Jeff's recent post of a late build NJ 67 Unrestored, low mileage GT. They may "shed some light" ;) onto a few more details...
... Also, another example of the metal clips used to secure the wiring to the right hand shock tower brace.
Richard, thanks for highlighting these points. I didn't know about those underhood light wiring clips on the RH shock tower brace (my car has the courtesy light group too; however, no clips). I'll look for them; maybe those clips are used elsewhere on Ford cars and/or reproduced and available somewhere?
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Richard, thanks for highlighting these points. I didn't know about those underhood light wiring clips on the RH shock tower brace (my car has the courtesy light group too; however, no clips). I'll look for them; maybe those clips are used elsewhere on Ford cars and/or reproduced and available somewhere?
Is yours a NJ 67? Not saying they are different but can't at the moment confirm that they are the same. Or the same number or location ;)
Maybe Richard can ?
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Is yours a NJ 67? Not saying they are different but can't at the moment confirm that they are the same. Or the same number or location ;)
Maybe Richard can ?
They appear to be the typical I have seen in Assembly manual and on restored cars but I thought there are typically only 2. I cannot recall ever seeing an unrestored car with this option, this being a first for me. Mine was toast when I bought the car way back in 78 and the remains, I took off and threw out so...
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Here are some related under hood pictures from an unrestored (to put it mildly) early 67 Dearborn car, VIN 7F01C1291xx.
A lot of similarities considering (1) different years (doubled down with early 67/late 68) and (2) different assembly plants
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John, if you have any pictures of the hood lamp clips, (off the car) the ones from the shock tower brace, that Coul be of help.
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Here you go. I was smart enough in this case to keep it, and happened across it a couple days ago...
modified to add picture that includes a critical dimension
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Here are some with the same shape from the 69 Ford Fastener book. I'll go get more dimensions so I can hopefully nail it down to the exact part, then I will check several MPCs to see where else the same part is used.
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Based on what I've seen for this application, I would get the -S.
Your drawing is from a service manual, aka MPC, not an assembly line document. Service manuals typically left off the numbers after the -S as there was probably only one variation in stock (no choice).
Jim
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Returning a little late to this discussion with a delayed reply; my car is a SJ 67 (Nov 66). Can it be said at this point that these clips were used on 67 cars from all three plants?
I do not think I would assume that just yet. We seem to have some conflicting evidence so far IMHO (plastic or steel). I haven't heard anyone report finding steel on a San Jose yet, only Dearborn. NJ car pictured earlier isn't a clear enough image. Maybe somebody can zoom and crop/edit for clarity.
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Looks like a great remedy to secure the underhood light wire which for now wants to go every which way as it routes from the cowl area to the right front solenoid. Tempted to try those three clips anyway.
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June, San Jose unrestored under hood courtesy group lamp & related wiring pictures.
Notice the late-design rolled lip openings in the hood and the Turn Signal later design harness (like used also in 68's).
The metal retainer at the lamp and the locator at the bottom of the hood, are not found in any aftermarket sources. The locator is molded around the wire originally. Getting one off a donor car can be a bit difficult too but if you do not destroy the locator, you can drill out the old, damaged wire slightly oversized and secure it to the Alloy Metal reproduction wire.
I believe I initially was looking for a factory lamp and eventually, I did come up with one. Using an original and the reproduction wire and fuse holder, I made a decent one up.
Again, you need hardware that isn't easy to find nor is it reproduced.
Uploaded a couple more pictures
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Added another picture of the RH Shock tower brace clip.
It looks much more typical from the Standard Parts, doesn't much look like others posed on page 1 of this thread.
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I'm not going back through this whole thread to find who wanted the front plastic clippie.
I think I can cut out the reinforcement on my junk 67 TS hood and get the plastic clip as noted in this pic. If you try to remove it without getting to the rear I think bad things will happen.
1st PM gets it. Please reply only if you want it on your car, not in your parts bin.
{this may all be for naught if I break it!}
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I'm not going back through this whole thread to find who wanted the front plastic clippie.
I think I can cut out the reinforcement on my junk 67 TS hood and get the plastic clip as noted in this pic. If you try to remove it without getting to the rear I think bad things will happen.
1st PM gets it. Please reply only if you want it on your car, not in your parts bin.
{this may all be for naught if I break it!}
Is that wire going towards the left a factory under hood courtesy light wire?
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Sorry, this is the clip for the factory 'turn signal hood' wiring. I skipped over too much of this thread.
Also this pic is a zoom-in on a pic in reply 54