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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1964 1/2 - 1965 => Topic started by: jtfx6552 on January 02, 2016, 04:54:48 PM
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What type of clip goes on the end? From the picture, it looks like whatever it was left the end of the rod free to get painted.
(http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv130/jtfx6552/65%20Mustang%20Restoration/B4ECA88A-6FDF-4BC3-BEDB-66EFE18A672A_zpspamkbbao.jpg) (http://s676.photobucket.com/user/jtfx6552/media/65%20Mustang%20Restoration/B4ECA88A-6FDF-4BC3-BEDB-66EFE18A672A_zpspamkbbao.jpg.html)
On the other side, where does the little clipped on piece of steel reside?
(http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv130/jtfx6552/65%20Mustang%20Restoration/E101FF7D-E98E-4D01-8D42-FB2A5E70A2AA_zpssmvvjrn8.jpg) (http://s676.photobucket.com/user/jtfx6552/media/65%20Mustang%20Restoration/E101FF7D-E98E-4D01-8D42-FB2A5E70A2AA_zpssmvvjrn8.jpg.html)
I found it interesting that the rod is body color over black, see where the center retainer was.
(http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv130/jtfx6552/65%20Mustang%20Restoration/8ADB2711-4CB1-44B2-B6C7-B996D45EBEC8_zpsyeeufebk.jpg) (http://s676.photobucket.com/user/jtfx6552/media/65%20Mustang%20Restoration/8ADB2711-4CB1-44B2-B6C7-B996D45EBEC8_zpsyeeufebk.jpg.html)
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You need one of these, and if you find two, so do I.
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Here's some good info on the topic. May be the reason your clip is MIA...
http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=11812.msg71479#msg71479 (http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=11812.msg71479#msg71479)
The exact retaining clip is not reproduced. However, someone sent me a link to a "similar" retaining clip that may be acceptable but for the life of me, I can't find the link. I never followed through because you had to buy in bulk (60 count?).
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Google "push nut". If someone has measurements they can post, we should be able to find a functional replacement (perhaps not a concours match though).
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Google "push nut". If someone has measurements they can post, we should be able to find a functional replacement (perhaps not a concours match though).
They are out there (non correct ones) Have purchased them locally at a hardware store and on Amazon
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If you find any with this oversize OD, let me know. Push nuts like this are easy to find in the wrong diameter. Not Concours! :)
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This has been covered -
http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=3764.msg20487#msg20487
In the words of my mentor - Jeff - the search feature is your friend.
Jim
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No offense, but the search feature here is the worst I've encountered on any major forum.
I did eventually find that thread, and this useful thread http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=6231.0 by searching on google, but not by the search here.
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I did eventually find that thread, and this useful thread http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=6231.0 by searching on google, but not by the search here.
This has been covered -
http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=3764.msg20487#msg20487
You will find that the results of my research is included in both topics, and the results is - there is no source for an exact replacement retainer. Brant, at Virginia Mustang, is aware of this part needing to be reproduced and he is probably the one to do it, if possible.
And you are correct, the forum's search engine could use some help (hint). I use quotes around two or more words and that does work.
Jim
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No offense, but the search feature here is the worst I've encountered on any major forum.
Constructive criticism like this should never be a problem. I also took note that you consider this a "major forum", which should be satisfying to those that put it together.
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Regarding the search, I'll be honest and say that we have done very little in customizing the site, mainly keeping it as simple as possible. In the 6 or so years that we've been running, I can't think of more than a few times we had access issues, which were problems with the provider.
I've personally had good luck with search here. Sometimes I forget to use it, but the times I do, can usually find what I'm looking for.
Guess I would have to put it this way... for a site with such a vast amount of information, free to anyone and with no advertising, I'd say there is very little to complain about.
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Guess I would have to put it this way... for a site with such a vast amount of information, free to anyone and with no advertising, I'd say there is very little to complain about.
I couldn't have said it any better than that! You NAILED it Charles!
Maybe if folks sent a couple (hundred) bucks regularly to help fund the costs, they might also have other "free" ideas that PREVENT charging people for this awesome service or having to cover the costs by having all of those spamming ads running in the background. If this comment speaks to you...maybe you have a few bucks at least to spare to help out. The times I look at contributions (see "donations" tab above), I rarely see much there. Administrators are probably funding things out of their own pockets and volunteering information ta-boot!
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Will say we've had some VERY GENEROUS supporters and want to take the opportunity to thank all that have helped over the years. For those we were here during the San Jose Picture project and helped out there it was a grand success - unlike I've seen any other site attempt and accomplish
There are times when I suggest that rather than have people pay me for something small or difficult to put a value on to instead to join and give a contribution of their choosing to the site but that has been my choice and mine alone
Just wanted to fill in some blanks
As for the search - never found one that works perfectly for me yet on any site. The machine never seems to be able to read my mind and fill in the blanks I've left.
Have found that if I can recall (normally can) who was participating in the discussion/thread that can help narrow things down with a subject.
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I think it's a great forum, I do realize how much great information is here. However I do have a lot of trouble finding it. Even when I have found great information I know I'll need to reference later, I've taken to saving as webarchive or .pdf because I have had much trouble finding information a second time.
I'll take Jim's hint about quotes and see how that works.
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I think it's a great forum, I do realize how much great information is here. However I do have a lot of trouble finding it. Even when I have found great information I know I'll need to reference later, I've taken to saving as webarchive or .pdf because I have had much trouble finding information a second time
For many other sites I found if I book mark the page, give it a descriptive title and then organize the bookmarks by major subject. Of course this can get overwhelming after 10 years or so of doing that. But its a start and figure nothing is as easy as I would like. Think I've for 3-5,000 web pages bookmarked at this point. Who know how many of those sites are still active
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I wanted to elaborate more. I am on many forums with many different interests. I was a moderator on another Mustang site whose focus was late models. Anyway, nothing drove me more nuts than those who didn't use the search function. Or seemingly may be blind as they'd start a new topic identical to one that was about 3 or 4 posts down on the front page. Because of that experience, I always try searching and I do get embarrassed here when someone points out a thread devoted the exact topic I was looking for.
Anyway, any forum that has not one, but two, or now even three threads on a deck lid torsion rod retaining clip for just fastbacks, is certainly a major forum :-)
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& years later, I'm ready to paint my decklid and the torsion rod hinge combo. Never did get an answer to where this little clip should be? It's not very tight so I'm wondering if I should put it in a specific spot to leave a black spot underneath it or not? I could move it around between coats so I can put it wherever I want later.
http://s676.photobucket.com/user/jtfx6552/media/65%20Mustang%20Restoration/E101FF7D-E98E-4D01-8D42-FB2A5E70A2AA_zpssmvvjrn8.jpg.html
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pic link not working for me.
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Being that there are at least three time dependent "variations", here's a few pictures to help you out.
Jim
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Seems the discussion got off thread with the search feature discussion ::)
& years later, I'm ready to paint my decklid and the torsion rod hinge combo. Never did get an answer to where this little clip should be?
Given you have provided that you have a 65 Dearborn built fastback that was assigned an Oct 29 scheduled build date here are some original examples from that time period. Of course since we don't have real dates for the completion of any of these cars your car could have been built three weeks earlier or later. Because of it its more difficult to find a close match when compared to 67 and up cars. Here are some Dearborn examples I found. I held myself from using cars from other plants showing where and how far they were slipped on. Would likely result in clearer pictures but choose just Dearborn for now. Think it gives a general idea and confirmation. Of course the arms can move from side to side so the retainer does not always sit tight against the arm all of the time
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/19/6-230923182935-19452105.jpeg)
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/19/6-230923182937-194531702.jpeg)
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/19/6-230923182938-194541880.jpeg)
Not sure of your cars VIN the pictures above range from 5F35xxxx, 5F36xxxx to a much later (Jan 65) 5F39xxxx
Pretty easy to install it as shown in the picture below - just slipped over the end and pushed far enough inward to meet the upright arm from the hinge, which given the production period would be a hinge with a dual thickness arm and a large tension rod hole for the plastic/nylon bushing
As far as leaving any area black ( in this case since the rod was black before it was installed and painted over) should not be needed since if you can see the black it should have been painted during the exterior color application. If they didn't cover well then you should have shadows on other areas also likely not just the rod
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That "retainer" has a part number - 380264-S2. It is NOT reproduced. (There's one in a bag on my desk that goes on my 66GTK Fastback).
Jim
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Thank you for all the great pictures. I did manage to secure the proper clip for the end of the torsion rod from a member here.
I was preparing the setup for paint when I noticed this little clip "floating" along the rod. Sorry the picture link didn't work. Does it have a special home along the rod? Or should I just let it float and paint the rod/torsion spring/hinges with the clip wherever it ends up with a black bare spot underneath?
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Thank you for all the great pictures. I did manage to secure the proper clip for the end of the torsion rod from a member here.
I was preparing the setup for paint when I noticed this little clip "floating" along the rod. Sorry the picture link didn't work. Does it have a special home along the rod? Or should I just let it float and paint the rod/torsion spring/hinges with the clip wherever it ends up with a black bare spot underneath?
Seen this a few times but not sure of the purpose or what it might be meant to communicate to someone. If you look closely in your picture I think it was originally positioned at the end its in the picture just to the right as it appears there is a shadow in the paint. This might have been one factory 's effort to retain the end of the rod in the cut out of the drivers side hinge while the worker wrestled with the other end an arm similar to the fix (the electrical clip) that we have found used at San Jose and a very few times at Dearborn in 65. It appears that this was a pain, the rod coming out of the cut out, for workers at all plants and they were trying to figure out some way to make it easier
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Being that there are at least three time dependent "variations", here's a few pictures to help you out.
Jim
On the DS should the torsion spring that goes across be on the top, or the bottom. First two pictures in this post show it opposite ways?
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On the DS should the torsion spring that goes across be on the top, or the bottom. First two pictures in this post show it opposite ways?
It appears to depend on when and where the car was built. And if done incorrectly its not going to hold the trunk lid open or it will be impossible to get the passenger side to line up do to the amount of torque.
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/19/6-281023181451-196471502.jpeg)
Here's one installed for the application incorrectly as the owner has to use a piece of wood to hold the trunk lid open
Here are a few examples of Dearborn fastbacks from around you stated build period. October. With VINs in the 5F296xxx -5F337xxx.
Did have a car 5T3637xx a little later build, a nice original car where it was reversed can't explain that or why it works on earlier cars than yours
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/19/6-281023181452-19648721.jpeg)
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I took a "documentation" video of the car at various stages of disassembly. I put documentation in quotes because it's a terrible video that rarely shows what I want to see. Plus it's on mini DV and I had lost the digitized version when I switched computers. So I bit the bullet and figured put how to hook the ancient camera to my new computer and re digitized it. I just barely caught the spring. It's hard to see with just a frame or two. but it definitely goes across from the "top" with the lid open.
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I took a "documentation" video of the car at various stages of disassembly. I put documentation in quotes because it's a terrible video that rarely shows what I want to see. Plus it's on mini DV and I had lost the digitized version when I switched computers. So I bit the bullet and figured put how to hook the ancient camera to my new computer and re digitized it. I just barely caught the spring. It's hard to see with just a frame or two. but it definitely goes across from the "top" with the lid open.
So it looks like it was installed matching the bottom pictures in Reply #24. Using the orientation of the rod to the lower hinge bolt as a guide
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So it looks like it was installed matching the bottom pictures in Reply #24. Using the orientation of the rod to the lower hinge bolt as a guide
Yes, nice to have confirmation.
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Another example/close up of the retaining hardware at the end of the trunk spring. From 6R09C131xxxx
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/19/6-031123192023-197082036.jpeg)