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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1964 1/2 - 1965 => Topic started by: RonsMustangs on February 06, 2016, 02:46:29 PM

Title: Painting a 65 toploader
Post by: RonsMustangs on February 06, 2016, 02:46:29 PM
Hello Room,
I'm trying to get the correct paint for my toploader. What do you all use?

Thanks
Title: Re: Painting 65 toploader
Post by: carlite65 on February 06, 2016, 02:48:49 PM
no paint anywhere. finish was bare cast iron.
Title: Re: Painting 65 toploader
Post by: J_Speegle on February 06, 2016, 03:25:09 PM
no paint anywhere. finish was bare cast iron.

+1  There are guys that use paint though regular paint often will get chipped or scraped trying to put the unit in the car leading to more work and touch up
Title: Re: Painting 65 toploader
Post by: jwc66k on February 06, 2016, 04:14:19 PM
no paint anywhere. finish was bare cast iron.
A light layer of oil is present over an otherwise medium-dark exterior. This oil is residual from casting and assembly. It's best function is to reduce rust.
Jim
Title: Re: Painting 65 toploader
Post by: RonsMustangs on February 06, 2016, 09:21:34 PM
Thanks
for everyones help. I really would like to get it back to looking like this one that's attached in the picture
Title: Re: Painting 65 toploader
Post by: carlite65 on February 06, 2016, 09:24:33 PM
that one does not have the correct appearance to be concours. looks like the entire unit was painted with one of those cast iron type paints. the top should be bare steel. there are a few machined areas that should be brighter that the case itself. others will chime in with more details.
Title: Re: Painting 65 toploader
Post by: RonsMustangs on February 06, 2016, 09:29:10 PM
carlite65, do you know where i can locate the correct pictures
Title: Re: Painting 65 toploader
Post by: Bob Gaines on February 06, 2016, 11:42:50 PM
that one does not have the correct appearance to be concours. looks like the entire unit was painted with one of those cast iron type paints. the top should be bare steel. there are a few machined areas that should be brighter that the case itself. others will chime in with more details.
+1. Everything the same shade is not what you want . There are many rust inhibitors ( T9 is just one) that will keep the rust away plus allowing it to look more authentic.
Title: Re: Painting? 65 toploader
Post by: J_Speegle on February 07, 2016, 02:25:42 AM
carlite65, do you know where i can locate the correct pictures

Not the same application (and don't copy the paint marks please)  but IMHO a driver quality attempt.

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/5/6-070216002036.jpeg)



Again not your specific application but from a Thoroughbred job a while back. Input retainer still needs to be finished as well of a couple of other details but you get the idea

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/5/6-070216002354.jpeg)
Title: Re: Painting a 65 toploader
Post by: sgl66 on February 08, 2016, 04:09:36 PM
what is the recommended procedure to clean and hopefully preserve original markings such as this orange mark (looks like a grease pencil) and the more typical yellow paint marks?
Title: Re: Painting a 65 toploader
Post by: J_Speegle on February 08, 2016, 04:58:09 PM
what is the recommended procedure to clean and hopefully preserve original markings such as this orange mark (looks like a grease pencil) and the more typical yellow paint marks?

Disassemble the whole trans. Soak the main case in Evapo rust then oil the surface  and reassemble

But many will just take a bunch of pictures, even a tracing, restore the trans and reapply

Depends if your trying to restore or maintain/preserve IMHO
Title: Re: Painting a 65 toploader
Post by: jwc66k on February 08, 2016, 05:26:21 PM
The Evaporust website https://www.evaporust.com/chassis shows an alternative to a tank soaking, use a spray bottle on the metal and let it drip into a large pan. The used this method on a Dodge pickup, I did this on a 5 x 5 foot steel dolly. It is more time consuming but it does not take several gallons and a large tank.
Jim
Title: Re: Painting a 65 toploader
Post by: sgl66 on February 08, 2016, 06:56:50 PM
Thanks. I'm going to try and preserve the original marks if possible.
Title: Re: Painting a 65 toploader
Post by: RonsMustangs on February 10, 2016, 06:55:58 PM
Thanks again Mr. Speegle and room again for the very helpful advice. Mr. Speegle let me make sure I'm correct the bottom picture (darker transmission) is the look I should have
Title: Re: Painting a 65 toploader
Post by: J_Speegle on February 10, 2016, 07:10:21 PM
Thanks again Mr. Speegle and room again for the very helpful advice. Mr. Speegle let me make sure I'm correct the bottom picture (darker transmission) is the look I should have

Color is more likely closer to the top but somewhere in between. Digital pictures and monitor settings can show things "in a different light" than what they are in person. Color your looking for is brand new cast metal - not blasted but as pulled from the casting material/mold.
Title: Re: Painting a 65 toploader
Post by: rockhouse66 on February 10, 2016, 07:32:02 PM
This is from a '69, but is an original that has just been cleaned.  Might help you get an idea of the "look".

Title: Re: Painting a 65 toploader
Post by: J_Speegle on February 11, 2016, 02:08:15 AM
A couple of more examples - nortice that most of the originals still show some rust coloration

A poor picture of a NOS top loader still in crate

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/5/6-110216000432-51881830.jpeg)



Cleaned used one

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/5/6-110216000435-5197252.jpeg)



Another restored example picture taken inside

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/5/6-110216000433-51961278.jpeg)

Title: Re: Painting a 65 toploader
Post by: RonsMustangs on February 11, 2016, 09:40:52 PM
The sad thing it's hard to find someone around this area to restore to the original state.
Title: Re: Painting a 65 toploader
Post by: J_Speegle on February 12, 2016, 04:00:29 PM
The sad thing it's hard to find someone around this area to restore to the original state.

Yes you would have to ship it and if you do that might as well have it disassembled and rebuilt during the process.

Guess its one of those - get your hands dirty tasks that often comes with owning these cars. 

You can do it - just takes time
Title: Re: Painting a 65 toploader
Post by: RonsMustangs on February 14, 2016, 09:05:39 AM
I might just do that. Where are you located?
Title: Re: Painting a 65 toploader
Post by: J_Speegle on February 14, 2016, 07:15:38 PM
I might just do that. Where are you located?

I'm in CA