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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1966 Mustang => Topic started by: socalgt on October 16, 2016, 11:42:54 AM
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I noticed on many fastbacks the right rear of the trunk lid often times does not fit to the curve of the quarter panel and extension, but is raised on the last 6 inches or so. Is this one of those areas ( similar to the front left of the hood), is typically a bit out of alignment or does it usually indicate previous damage. I understand the trunk latch can sometimes help this misalignment, but I'm not sure it can when just one side needs to come down more. (The attached photo is taken from the angle that makes it look the worst)
Thanks
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What gasket did you use? There's a thin one for fastbacks.
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I noticed on many fastbacks the right rear of the trunk lid often times does not fit to the curve of the quarter panel and extension, but is raised on the last 6 inches or so. Is this one of those areas ( similar to the front left of the hood), is typically a bit out of alignment or does it usually indicate previous damage...........
Seen many original cars that were aligned perfectly. IMHO most likely something has taken place in the past that should be corrected if your restoring the car. It will grab an eye quickly at that location to even the most casual observer
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Currently having the same issue on my coupe. Might be the trunk seal was replaced. Some are too dense not allowing the gasket to compress enough when closing the trunk. It is adjustable through the latch but only as far as that seal will it allow it to go..
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One quick way to check for damage is to create a cardboard template of the arc on each side of the trunk lid. The arc should match perfectly of on the left and right side of the trunk lid. Even a minor fender bender at some point can really mess up a trunk lid up since the metal is already curved to fit the contours of the rest of the body panels. In most but not all cases the metal will buckle. However, with only light contact, as a result of the metal being under tension, it can essentially "warp" yet look more of less ok to the naked eye until you try to align the trunk lid.
Ron
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What gasket did you use? There's a thin one for fastbacks.
There is?
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There is?
Absolutely, you don't use the same thickness gasket like is used on a coupe/convertible.
There's a nice Carpenter reproduction of this piece.
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Absolutely, you don't use the same thickness gasket like is used on a coupe/convertible.
There's a nice Carpenter reproduction of this piece.
maybe this is why mine does not line up. But I ordered for a fastback, so I ASSUME its the same. How can you tell?
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maybe this is why mine does not line up. But I ordered for a fastback, so I ASSUME its the same. How can you tell?
The fastback ones are about half the thickness of coupe/convertible seals.
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I noticed on many fastbacks the right rear of the trunk lid often times does not fit to the curve of the quarter panel and extension, but is raised on the last 6 inches or so. Is this one of those areas ( similar to the front left of the hood), is typically a bit out of alignment or does it usually indicate previous damage. I understand the trunk latch can sometimes help this misalignment, but I'm not sure it can when just one side needs to come down more. (The attached photo is taken from the angle that makes it look the worst)
Thanks
BTW this is about what mine looks like. I was always under the impression that the fit was different from factory to factory. I have seen many look like mine...
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Couple of shots of an original trunk seal Sort of a narrow U shape open along the inner edge
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/6/6-171016173820-63642302.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/6/6-171016173821-6365832.jpeg)
BTW this is about what mine looks like. I was always under the impression that the fit was different from factory to factory. I have seen many look like mine...
Cars are more likely (body panels) to fall out of alignment after 50 years. Too many original examples of 66 San Jose cars that still fit perfectly IMHO to believe inspectors would have on a regular basis let that fit slide.
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Interesting info regarding the difference in weatherstripping...I will definitely take a look at that. Guess the way to tell would be to remove it and see how the fit is without it. I would like to think this amount of misalignment would not have been acceptable...even in 1966, on a relatively inexpensive vehicle.
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So who makes a accurate repo?
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So who makes a accurate repo?
Even more important, why does NPD list two different profile weather strips, "U" shaped and trapezoidal, both reproductions with "Concours Approved" labels?
Jim
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Even more important, why does NPD list two different profile weather strips, "U" shaped and trapezoidal, both reproductions with "Concours Approved" labels?
Jim
Likely each supplier makes a reproduction based on a NOS/service design. That is what most used did back when all NOS parts were thought to be the end all in quality and detail parts for a restoration. Package has the part number, MPC shows that number for the application - so its has to be the right part sort of thinking of the time period. Oh and add. people bought them.
Just reporting ::)
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There may be other reproductions with the correct u-shaped design, but the Daniel Carpenter brand is very accurate and works perfectly. As others mentioned, for years the Ford "replacement" weatherstripping was a different design than the original assembly line part. I think this has led to confusion over the years, as I have seen quite a few nice cars at shows with the incorrect NOS weatherstripping.
Here is the correct version. We just installed one with perfect results.
(http://www.virginiaclassicmustang.com/GetImage.ashx?Path=%7e%2fAssets%2fProductImages%2fws20.jpg&maintainAspectRatio=true) (http://www.virginiaclassicmustang.com/65-66-FASTBACK-TRUNK-WEATHERSTRIP-P5523.aspx)
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opening in the "U" goes facing inside right?
If I use this will my fastback turn into a shelby?
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opening in the "U" goes facing inside right?
Yes, U goes to inside and the shorter lip is glued to the deck lid.
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OK so I found my order for the trunk weatherstrip. I ordered from CJ it is a Scott Drake Part. Is this a huge difference from NPD and DC part? I did at least get the right profile.
D
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It is so frustrating to read about the many occurrences of inferior quality parts that are purchased through CJ because I read this time and time again on this forum. I will only buy from ether Virginia Mustang or NPD . Even though they are not infallible the chances of getting a quality part are much higher . I can only assume that the main motivation to buy from CJ is price because nothing else seems to be obvious. I don't even see the price being pennies difference overall. I can't imagine that there is that much difference to justify the risk . I believe CJ is a reputable retailer but their choices of inventory is not always in keeping with the spirit of this forum . You only have to get one unusable part to nullify the savings on the potential numerous purchases before you are back even. If you get a less then acceptable part you only have yourself to blame for your wasted time and money. Others may have a different opinion. I am getting down off of my soap box now. :)
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OK so I found my order for the trunk weatherstrip. I ordered from CJ it is a Scott Drake Part. Is this a huge difference from NPD and DC part? I did at least get the right profile.
D
DC weatherstrip although not as good as original Ford typically fits better because it is closer to being as spongy as Ford weatherstrip . Hard or harder weatherstrip makes fitting a bad experience IMO.
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DC weatherstrip although not as good as original Ford typically fits better because it is closer to being as spongy as Ford weatherstrip . Hard or harder weatherstrip makes fitting a bad experience IMO.
so how does SD compare to DC??
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so how does SD compare to DC??
SD typically is denser/harder foam.
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I will only buy from ether Virginia Mustang or NPD.
I am getting down off of my soap box now. :)
I agree. Add AMK to the list. All three will work with you and stand behind their products.
Jim
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I agree. Add AMK to the list. All three will work with you and stand behind their products.
Jim
+1, these are my main go-to vendors when needed.
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Interesting info regarding the difference in weatherstripping...I will definitely take a look at that. Guess the way to tell would be to remove it and see how the fit is without it. I would like to think this amount of misalignment would not have been acceptable...even in 1966, on a relatively inexpensive vehicle.
I have the same issue. Interested to hear if removing the weatherstripping solves the problem.
I replaced mine 20+ years ago and at the tallest point it is a little over 1/2 inch. I have a spare trunk lid with the original weatherstripping I need to dig out and see how that compares. I also noticed on the right side that the weatherstripping is installed maybe too far from the edge causing it to land on the ridge at a higher point on the weatherstripping than it should. The right corner appears to barely touch and the center of the right side seems to be where most of the contact is. The other thing I noticed is the factory seemed to grind the ridge down toward the corner where the sheetmetal overlaps but only on the right side. I don't know if there would be enough metal to cause misalignment but who knows? I also found 1 picture from 1980 before any body work was done and the corner was off then also
+2 on VA Mustang
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I measured an original today on an extra lid and it's .4 inches at the highest point. The repo I have is .57 at the same point.