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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1967 Mustang => Topic started by: Legendary Ford on August 26, 2009, 06:57:10 PM
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We're doing a story in Legendary Ford on the lower grille install for 1967 and I was wondering if there was any consensus on what color is best--both in spray can and single stage enamel out of a spray gun.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Jeff Ford
Editor,
Legendary Ford Magazine
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Hi Jeff - great to see you here -
Don't know of anyone that has put the rear grill dark argent in a can and of course with all the reformulations no telling if the old formula will produce the desired results.
Remember original rear grill cars with the dark gray panels has an additional code on the door tag in the paint section - like other years. Again it was the familiar "5" Original code from 67 was PPG/Ditzler #32600 Color was referred to as Dark Gray Poly
Also the tail light panel behind the grill was painted before the panel was installed. Here is an original example I shot about 20-25 yrs ago
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/firetrainer/Original%20Uni-body%20%20Pictures/67ReargrillTLpaneldetail.jpg)
So few cars came this way - anyone else deal with this?
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Very nice jeff. I did find the color under the panel on a repaint, but assumed a past owner did it. Any overspray on the trunk floor or was it masked behind the tail lights when it was done?
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Very nice jeff. I did find the color under the panel on a repaint, but asumed the a past owner did it. Any overspray on the trunk floor or was it masked behind the tail lights when it was done?
Believe the tail light panel was masked off behind the taillight panel much like many of the Boss 302's were (masking tape or simply hanging a sheet of paper)
Also like the Boss cars we would expect some overspray from above (painting the upper trunk lip edge so a fair amount - to good application of color on the upper areas on the trunk latch support fading down to nothing IMHO would be anticipated
Also while were on the subject the end caps and trunk lid areas inside the anodized trim strip was also painted the Dark gray color also - believe these would have been done off the car.
Hope this helps
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Jeff,.I would assume painting with in the rear trim was on coupes and convertibles only? I'm going to add this option to the wife's S code convertible, info should help, thanks. I found this pic, also showing the dark gray color between the panel and trunk lid. Chris
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Jeff,.I would assume painting with in the rear trim was on coupes and convertibles only?...................
Nope I've seen the same pattern on fastbacks - just what I've seen
I found this pic, also showing the dark gray color between the panel and trunk lid. Chris
Chris - where did the picture come from. Have seen some even painted body color but they were preproduction car so those pictures IMHO would not be good examples of what was done
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The pic is from "Mustang does it!"
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The pic is from "Mustang does it!"
That might explain that picture - IMHO
Mr Miller seemed to like to use two resources back when he did that and other books. One was sales brochures (they often include plenty of things that didn't make it into production) and cars he found sitting around Los Angeles. This seems to be his practice for cars that were not let really being restored. On his other books (example the Early Ford V8's) He would find cars at (somewhat) local shows to illustrate the models and years. We had a number of cars used in his books during those early years
If you notice in that picture even the taillight panel behind the grill was not painted - May have just been added to that car from another or the paint detail (of the body) was left off during a repaint.The car IMHO was not an untouched car as its the same one used on pg 146 (appears to have Cougar wheels) and on pg 180. In those pictures you can see the car has been repainted from the fender stripe design
Wow - haven't gotten that book out in a long time ;) Will ahve to look through it again to see what it has to offer in other areas
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That was my first "mustang book" book back in the late 70's and may have been the first book on the market of its kind.[Looking back, a ton of mistakes, but also some interesting items]. Today a book comes out about every month it would seem. I don't think the car on page 146 is the same car. The car on page 153 doesn't have the pin strip on the 1/4 extension. Because none of the photos are factory/assembly line photos,we'll never know just how accurate they are, just found it interesting that this car would have the area painted between the panel and trunk lid back then, when 99.9% of the ones you see today have just the panel treatment painted.
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I have a 1967 GTA Mustang Fastback S Code from San Jose and sold in LA. I have a pair of tail light panels I would like to install.
Would the dealer have panted them black or the color of the car. If black, everything insisted the chrome trim area. I have seen this done so many different ways.
Thank you
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They could have been painted body color or dark argent.
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Search can be your friend...http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=168.msg731#msg731 (http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=168.msg731#msg731)
Note that the door tag color will not match if you paint it dark gray poly. The two tone paint would have the number 5 (if I recall) after the primary body color.
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Yes I have read if it came from the factory and it was a dark agent. The door tag would be different. If you would of have had the dealer install one, what could have been the options. Could of it have even been a dealer installed option?
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Theoretically a dealer would install anything as long as they could make a buck. I don't see why they could not order up the parts, and have their body shop do the install, including paint, any color. I would recommend sticking with either body color or the dark gray as shown in the previous posted hyperlink. If you are going to show at an MCA event, expect to lose points if you go with dark gray due to the door tag mismatch.
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thanks for the info, I really appreciate it.
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Don't know if anyone has figured out if the panels were available for the whole year or only part of it. That might effect how well one (added to a car) might be accepted. Just a thought - those holes are hard to make go away ;)
Also if you don't already have them the original mounting hardware is not the easiest pieces to come up with today
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My Mustang was an early production, though if it was a dealer option, would they still deduct points on the concourse driven class?
Thanks
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Answered in the other post. If you don't have dealer paperwork, and don't want to lose points, install correctly, with correct hardware, and paint body color.
As Jeff mentioned the hardware is not easy to find. Do some searches here and you will find pictures posted of the cap nuts and angled rubber washers. That gives you a target on what to hunt for.
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If argent would they have been all one color? Not 2 toned like these?
(http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/pp75/hopeto/50560270-1574-4d27-8d69-b26106c3384e_zps9bfe08e0.jpg) (http://s399.photobucket.com/user/hopeto/media/50560270-1574-4d27-8d69-b26106c3384e_zps9bfe08e0.jpg.html)
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Correct. One color - either body color, or "dark gray poly" if the two toned paint option was also selected. Shoot it and move it out the down the line...
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If argent would they have been all one color? Not 2 toned like these?
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No matter what finish (body color or the gray poly) they would have been all one color originally - not detailed like the ones in your picture.
Never even seen a body color set except in sales and preproduction cars - just me
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I found a unrestored burnt amber 67 fastback with the body color grills. Wish I would have bought it.
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My apologies to the OP. Didn't want to hijack, but had a few questions about the finned rear grills.
Here's what the above pair look like after my restoration. Glass beaded with a mixture of glass and black grit then clear coated. Sorry for the crappy flash pictures.
They are original Ford, not the repops.
(http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/pp75/hopeto/35952874-9508-4b2d-b1e5-873cc7b329b7_zpsff0cbfaf.jpg) (http://s399.photobucket.com/user/hopeto/media/35952874-9508-4b2d-b1e5-873cc7b329b7_zpsff0cbfaf.jpg.html)
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Should be painted - were not natural from the factory. Post #3 has a hyperlink to an older post, with a picture from Jeff showing that the dark gray poly two tone paint covered more than just the grilles, but extended to the decklid and quarter panel end caps.
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Hello Gentleman,
I need correct presentation advice for a Burnt Amber 2066-A 67 Fastback. This panel is original to the car as in the Marti Report. Main question: Do I paint it as seen in this photo attached? Do I leave it painted Gray? And if it should be painted, should it be the same exact color code 2066-A? Thank you for the correct response in advance.
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This question takes us all the way back to our first year of the forum. And as often happens we often have to first get more information
What is the paint code on your door tag.
If your car had the tuo tone option then the rear taillight panel, end caps and rear grill would be dark grey poly. If your door tag has a two digit/letter paint then the owner ordered this option.
Original paint code for the panel and grill can be found in the library article on 67 paint codes.
If the original owner did not pay for the option then it came painted body color with the same on the taillight panel and end carps
Merging your question and this post to the original thread to keep things nice and neat together as we've done with others in the past which is located over in the 67 section since your question relates to only that year
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I'm glad I can take you back in time ;D. Thank you again Jeff for the great direction to the library on the paint codes. Yes, it was ordered in tu-tone. My Marti and door tag add up: V5. V-for Burnt Amber, 5- for Gray panel. So the ribbed panel is another option from what I read? Which I have. Would it be alright for a concours correct car if I were to paint it in Burnt Amber or will points be deducted per door tag? If I can paint it with no deductions, I would follow the exact V-code paint for burnt amber?
thx ahead of time!
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if the paint does not match the door tag then expect a deduction.
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I should keep it Gray as it came? The door tag is V5 Burnt Amber color car? Sorry for asking the details, just want to clarify before I do anything.
Thank you in advance, R
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yes, as it came. that is what the focus of this board is--originality.
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Thank you, just checking if there was an option and to clarify. Regards, Rob
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I should keep it Gray as it came? The door tag is V5 Burnt Amber color car? Sorry for asking the details, just want to clarify before I do anything.
Of course IMHO and the the contrast looks great IMHO. Don't forget the taillight panel and end cap details also
There are other threads on the attachment hardware and other details if you need them