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Restoring - General discussions that span across many different groups of years and models => Parts => Topic started by: Brian Conway on June 26, 2018, 05:13:31 PM
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Some of you guys will know what these are and some, like me, have never seen them before. These came off a 65, 6 cyl, Dearborn car. Hint; they usually were either destroyed or simply discarded after the first brake job. Brian
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seen them several times. believe they are also reproduced.
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I will not spoil your fun but will add that they are typically plated /dipped? a olive drab chromate .
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Yep, but have also seen them with a more greenish tint.
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Yep, but have also seen them with a more greenish tint.
That is olive drab chromate .
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On some cars they were factory overcoated with black paint, using a large paint brush.
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Nice find. For many years they were still available at the local Ford store ..... believe they were used for a long long time on their cars. Haven't checked for many years to see if they were still available
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Haven't checked for many years to see if they were still available
AMK, as Ford p/n 372188-S32 (B-13226, $3 for 6).
Jim
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I think Chevy still uses a part like that. I guess Ford got better at getting the wheels on quick.
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I don't know what the official title was/is for these parts but yes used on the assembly line to keep the brake drums on the car until the wheels were installed. Brian
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Jim referenced the part number as 372188, which I did not find in the 65 nor 69 Ford fastener manuals, nor several versions of MPCs
Based on other similar nuts, it appears Ford terminology would most likely be "nut - spring, flat type" or "nut - spring, push on type"
Attached is a picture of the closest items I found.
I'm not doubting what Jim said, I'm just interested to see where this number pops up in Ford documents.
Also attached is a picture of a handful of NOS ones that I have. Bob hit the mark with the olive drab color, but technically olive drab it is a shade of green, just more accurate.
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Jim referenced the part number as 372188, which I did not find in the 65 nor 69 Ford fastener manuals, nor several versions of MPCs
I got the part number from its application as shown in the 64-65 Chassis Assembly Manual, and the description and dimensions from the AMK Guide To Ford Fasteners.
It would NOT be in any service documentations as the spring nut is an assembly line item.
Jim
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I don't know what the official title was/is for these parts but yes used on the assembly line to keep the brake drums on the car until the wheels were installed. Brian
They're called "tinnerman nuts".
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This clip is Hardware Part # 356080-S32. Attached is a "cut" from the 1965 Standard and Utility Parts Catalog. This clip dates back to at least 1954 (the oldest Standard and Utility Parts Catalog I have), and to at least 1983, the newest one I have. It also shows up as this Part # in the 1965 and 1966 single year MPC's as well as in the 1960-68 MPC. Look under the Rear Brake Drum, 1126, and there it is. Also, the "-S32" is described in the 1965 Standard and Utility Parts Catalog as "Black or Zinc Chromate Paint".
I bought a dozen or so of these several years ago from Green Sales ; they still show about 1200 in stock if you're interested. However, please don't "buy them out" since, as I mentioned, they were used on all Ford cars going back to at least 1954, and I know there are others seeking them.
Hope this helps.
Bob
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I bought a box of like 25 of these last year. It's a blue/white Ford parts box. Number is faded out on the box but description remains: SPRING CLIP and under that: LOC.GG-371 (like as in location)
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I will not spoil your fun but will add that they are typically plated /dipped? a olive drab chromate .
Yep, but have also seen them with a more greenish tint.
That is olive drab chromate .
Yes, I would vote PLATED (not dipped) on the Ford Service Parts version I have in my hands. Clearly NOT dipped
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Yes, I would agree "Plated" not dipped. All used I have ever found as well as the NOS ones appear "Plated". I was just noting the description on the 1965 Standard & Utility Parts Catalog.
Bob
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The Ford Part number is 356082-S32 Spring Nut. They are listed at the end of 1126 rear brake drum section.
(http://i63.tinypic.com/2ajtm40.jpg)
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The Ford Part number is 356080-S32 Spring Nut. They are listed at the end of 1126 rear brake drum section.
(http://i63.tinypic.com/2ajtm40.jpg)
"When E.F. Hutten speaks..." (he may mis-quote a part number though ;)
My box is the same size as Bob' s box but is the later Service box markings.
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Yes, I would vote PLATED (not dipped) on the Ford Service Parts version I have in my hands. Clearly NOT dipped
You apparently don't know how this process is done otherwise you would not make the " Clearly NOT dipped" statement. The reason why I used plating/dipped?was not because I didn't know but because it can be viewed as ether. I know first hand because I do the various chromate process's Gold ,black and olive drab for my own parts. The part is dipped in a chromate bath . It is like a dye. Unlike typical dyes this chromate needs a surface of zinc to stick to. The silver zinc is electro plated on. There is not a eletro plating current used in the chromate process as in zinc,chrome ,cadmium etc. I have always used the term plating however. Jeff Speegle typically refers to the zinc chromate process like the zinc dichromate (gold) as dipped which it is . We have debated about the proper term off line at various times in the past. I used the plating/dipped? as a concession to his point of view. So you can vote for plated if you want just don't use the "Clearly NOT dipped" because you would be incorrect.
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They're called "tinnerman nuts".
I have seen Timmerman nut so many times refered to in a shop manual when working on a rear axle assembly in my early years working on these cars and never seeing anything like this piece so the locking "nut" for the brake backing plate became my Timmerman nut. I still have not seen one in use.
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I would assume triangle pattern since three are used, correct?
J
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Think we're really getting "out in the weeds" on this one ;)
To add to the minutia - Some dipping is done to coat the outer surface of a piece while some pieces are dipped to dye the exterior surface.
Dipping to coat would/may be visible to the naked eye but to dye may not leave visible signs of build up or drips.
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You apparently don't know how this process is done otherwise you would not make the " Clearly NOT dipped" statement. The reason why I used plating/dipped?was not because I didn't know but because it can be viewed as ether. I know first hand because I do the various chromate process's Gold ,black and olive drab for my own parts. The part is dipped in a chromate bath . It is like a dye. Unlike typical dyes this chromate needs a surface of zinc to stick to. The silver zinc is electro plated on. There is not a eletro plating current used in the chromate process as in zinc,chrome ,cadmium etc. I have always used the term plating however. Jeff Speegle typically refers to the zinc chromate process like the zinc dichromate (gold) as dipped which it is . We have debated about the proper term off line at various times in the past. I used the plating/dipped? as a concession to his point of view. So you can vote for plated if you want just don't use the "Clearly NOT dipped" because you would be incorrect.
I understand your point, I was saying "Clearly NOT dipped" (in paint or coating). My-bad for confusion, I studied the olive drab process only a month ago so for lack of a better axplaination, I fell into a "lack of explaining myself properly" hole. I'll crawl back into my "hole" again and butt out.
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I would assume triangle pattern since three are used, correct?
J
I would say that three in a triangular pattern are "typical" (meaning most common and most seen). However, in my 55 plus years of working on Fords, I have seen 1, 2, 3 and even 5 used on a drum. I'll bet there were some with four also, I have just never run across one. My guess is that while the normal was most likely three, the amount used was a function of how many the Assembly Line worker had in his hand at the time. If he had grabbed more than three from the bin, rather than just throwing extras on the floor, or more appropriately putting them back in the bin or saving for the next one down the line, he just installed it (them). Just a guess, but likely.
Bob