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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1964 1/2 - 1965 => Topic started by: 66RavenGTCoupeAgain on August 20, 2018, 09:34:06 AM

Title: Sept 64 289 Convertible questions
Post by: 66RavenGTCoupeAgain on August 20, 2018, 09:34:06 AM
Hi guys,
Can anyone help me with my SJ car? It has power steering and AC. These things have been haunting me and my build for a while now.....
I'd just like to know:

What colour my shocks should be?
Should the fuel line run behind or in front of the distributor and which bracket should I use?
Should I use 1 or two starter motor cable brackets?
Where should the coil be mounted?
And where should the engine tag go?

Thanks in advance.

Title: Re: Sept 64 289 Convertible questions
Post by: mmsnyr8120 on August 20, 2018, 12:58:31 PM
give Matt a call.  our SJ Sept. 17 1964 conv.   9895395660
Title: Re: Sept 64 289 Convertible questions
Post by: J_Speegle on August 20, 2018, 03:35:38 PM
Can anyone help me with my SJ car? It has power steering and AC. These things have been haunting me and my build for a while now.....
I'd just like to know:

What colour my shocks should be?

Semi-gloss black

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/11/6-170818222234.jpeg)


Should the fuel line run behind or in front of the distributor and which bracket should I use?

Which bracket?? there is only one bracket and clip that I'm aware of

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/11/6-200818142725.jpeg)


Should I use 1 or two starter motor cable brackets?

At least on this examples -  one

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/11/6-200818143504.jpeg)


Where should the coil be mounted?

Passenger head at the front surface above and slightly to the inside of the alternator location

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/9/6-260218163410.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/11/6-200818142340.jpeg)


And where should the engine tag go?

PASSENGER (Thanks Charles) side intake manifold

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/11/6-200818233853.jpeg)
Title: Re: Sept 64 289 Convertible questions
Post by: jwc66k on August 20, 2018, 05:19:59 PM
Should I use 1 or two starter motor cable brackets?
At least on this examples -  one
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/11/6-200818143504.jpeg)
If the part number on the cable assembly is C5ZF-14431-A (or -B), there are two cable clamps. In 1966, the cable assemble was C6DF-14431-A using only one clamp. I found an original C5ZF-144312-A on my Oct 65 San Jose Fastback. (It said Canada on it as well.)
Jim
Title: Re: Sept 64 289 Convertible questions
Post by: J_Speegle on August 20, 2018, 05:28:37 PM
If the part number on the cable assembly is C5ZF-14431-A (or -B), there are two cable clamps. In 1966, the cable assemble was C6DF-14431-A using only one clamp. I found an original C5ZF-144312-A on my Oct 65 San Jose Fastback. (It said Canada on it as well.)
Jim

Jim - have to disagree. Are you basing your comment only on your one examples or do you have more vin's/cars to support it?

I found plenty of examples with a single from mid summer to early 65 at San Jose and other plants - the basis for my statement.

There does not seem to be a consistent (always) pattern on these just going by the majority and the close other examples and evidence found on them. Picture posted is from another Oct 64 San Jose fastback and it only had one. 
Title: Re: Sept 64 289 Convertible questions
Post by: ChrisV289 on August 20, 2018, 06:03:23 PM
What power steering unit are you running?  I assume the eaton pump but is it the remote reservoir or the one with the brackets to make it sit lower?
Title: Re: Sept 64 289 Convertible questions
Post by: CharlesTurner on August 20, 2018, 11:53:03 PM
On the intake drivers side front

'65 (alternator production) usually would have engine tag on passenger side of intake.
Title: Re: Sept 64 289 Convertible questions
Post by: jwc66k on August 21, 2018, 12:21:12 AM
- have to disagree. Are you basing your comment only on your one examples or do you have more vin's/cars to support it?
This is an October 65 build 66 Mustang that had an old starter cable assembly, C5ZB-14431-A, with two brackets and a "disintegrated" insulation sleeve, so I replaced it with a reproduction assembly of the same assembly number. I assume that I had a situation of Ford using up old stock, a 65 part on a 66. This was discussed with the two previous owners who told me what they had done to the car before I bought it. To continue this a bit further, 64 Mustangs, 260 and 289 engines, used part number C4ZF-14431-A (or -B) that is shown with one bracket in the 64 Electrical Assembly Manual. I again will state - one or two brackets depends on the assembly part number. An early 65 may have used a 64 cable to consume existing stock, hence one bracket.
When the part in question found on a car reflects the part number on the Ford Assembly Drawing, you have accept it as accurate. A picture might be worth a 1000 words, but the part number is the final deciding factor.
Jim
Title: Re: Sept 64 289 Convertible questions
Post by: J_Speegle on August 21, 2018, 12:24:56 AM
This is an October 65 build 66 Mustang ................

Maybe that is at the core of the difference since the period in question is Sept 64

When the part in question found on a car reflects the part number on the Ford Assembly Drawing, you have accept it as accurate. A picture might be worth a 1000 words, but the part number is the final deciding factor.

Guess just a point were we're going to agree to disagree. But that's ok.  Your referring to the cable while the question is the retainers/brackets that connect to the motor mounts. 
Title: Re: Sept 64 289 Convertible questions
Post by: J_Speegle on August 21, 2018, 12:41:02 AM
'65 (alternator production) usually would have engine tag on passenger side of intake.

Thanks ;) - took a bit to find one but corrected my post above
Title: Re: Sept 64 289 Convertible questions
Post by: CharlesTurner on August 21, 2018, 12:41:45 AM
RH, opposite side...
Title: Re: Sept 64 289 Convertible questions
Post by: rocket289k on August 21, 2018, 12:45:32 PM
'65 (alternator production) usually would have engine tag on passenger side of intake.

Should be be expected / hold true for all plants Charles for '65 (alternator production)?

Regards,


Ron
Title: Re: Sept 64 289 Convertible questions
Post by: CharlesTurner on August 21, 2018, 03:49:45 PM
Should be be expected / hold true for all plants Charles for '65 (alternator production)?

Yes, standard practice, it later was changed to the location Jeff noted.  I assume beginning of '66 production, but would be a good discussion item for another topic.
Title: Re: Sept 64 289 Convertible questions
Post by: rocket289k on August 21, 2018, 04:12:17 PM
Yes, standard practice, it later was changed to the location Jeff noted.  I assume beginning of '66 production, but would be a good discussion item for another topic.

Thanks Charles - I wasn't aware of that nuance (for Alternator equipped '65s).  I learned something new today.  In addition, is the passenger side also used for generator equipped cars?

Regards,


Ron
Title: Re: Sept 64 289 Convertible questions
Post by: CharlesTurner on August 21, 2018, 06:25:08 PM
On V8 generator cars, the engine tag was usually mounted at the temp sending unit since coils were mounted to the top of the intake.
Title: Re: Sept 64 289 Convertible questions
Post by: 66RavenGTCoupeAgain on August 21, 2018, 10:09:31 PM
Which bracket?? there is only one bracket and clip that I'm aware of

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/11/6-200818142725.jpeg)



Thanks Jeff,

NPD list 3 types which made me ask the question. So this was the only type ever used? Is it used for both routes of fuel line - in front and behind distributer? (Just checking for my Dec 65 NJ Build car too)
This picture shows the fuel line running in front of the distributer right?
Title: Re: Sept 64 289 Convertible questions
Post by: J_Speegle on August 21, 2018, 11:37:03 PM
This picture shows the fuel line running in front of the distributer right?

For the early-mid Oct 64 I took most of these pictures (to be close to the Sept 64 the thread is focused on) check out reply #2 picture #3 from the top. Bends before and then behind on those cars
Title: Re: Sept 64 289 Convertible questions
Post by: 66RavenGTCoupeAgain on September 03, 2018, 02:53:19 AM
Thanks again Jeff