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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1967 Mustang => Topic started by: Bossbill on December 15, 2018, 04:51:24 PM
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Just looked through a few pages of "starter wire" on search and zeroed out.
I just purchased a supposedly original starter solenoid to starter wire.
It says "C6DF-14431-A WCC FOMOCO" which repeats down the wire.
One end of the connectors has a grayish paint daub on it.
Is it an assembly line wire?
If so, is the paint daub the correct color and does the daub go on the solenoid end?
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According to both the 1966 and 1967 Electrical Assembly Manuals, that is the correct number for the Relay to Starter wire for all RPO 289's.
Can't say about the paint daub. Is the bottom picture of the non-paint daub end ? Does either terminal end have an offset ? If so, I would say that the offset end is the Starter end.
Bob
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Just looked through a few pages of "starter wire" on search and zeroed out.
I just purchased a supposedly original starter solenoid to starter wire.
It says "C6DF-14431-A WCC FOMOCO" which repeats down the wire.
One end of the connectors has a grayish paint daub on it.
Is it an assembly line wire?
If so, is the paint daub the correct color and does the daub go on the solenoid end?
The starter cable is the most likely to survive and be in usable condition on a restored car compared to rarely usable positive cable and almost always unusable negative cable. There may be more then one vendor because the molded end shape and the shape of the eyelet on that particular starter cable are not like what I am used to seeing on 67 SJ cars. Maybe Jeff has some pictures.
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That part number is actually for a complete starter cable assembly, which consists of the cut to length and terminated cable, an impregnated cloth insulator and a single retaining bracket with an insulating grommet in a loop in the bracket for the cable. The bracket attaches to the forward engine mounting bolt, although some examples show the rear bolt used. Unfortunately the cloth insulator usually disintegrates over time, and replacement sleeves normally do not slide over the terminal lugs.
My Oct 65 San Jose built cars use a C5ZF-14431-A cable which is identical except a second retaining bracket is used. I assume that was to consume excess inventory. The markings on the cables I have show a different supplier, SX, than yours, WCC.
Jim
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According to both the 1966 and 1967 Electrical Assembly Manuals, that is the correct number for the Relay to Starter wire for all RPO 289's.
Can't say about the paint daub. Is the bottom picture of the non-paint daub end ? Does either terminal end have an offset ? If so, I would say that the offset end is the Starter end.
Bob
I checked the Assy Manual before ordering. I should have mentioned that.
Good call on the offset. There is a 1/16 or so offset on the paint end. Maybe the paint is there to remind assy workers to put this end on the starter?
Bob Gaines -- Yeah, it figures there might be a SJ version and it would also figures I get the one for the other plants.
Jim -- Ok, It didn't dawn on me that assy in the drawing mean ALL of those items. It's also weird that the cable alone has that number.
Most of my wire bundles say SX, as in SuX to be me, so perhaps we'll see if a version of that cable exists with a SX name and different molded ends.
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................ There may be more then one vendor because the molded end shape and the shape of the eyelet on that particular starter cable are not like what I am used to seeing on 67 SJ cars. Maybe Jeff has some pictures.
Agree with Bob's observations in that the end as a number of features not typically seen on ones used at San Jose IMHO during 67 production.
On those there is not a visible scalloped metal lower feature but instead the side transition right in to the rubber end boot.
The top edge of the rubber boot is rounded
The top end of the metal end comes to a raised sort of square end almost reminds me of the injection molding attachments found on plastic items that are detached from a injection "tree"
Surely (like allot of parts) there were multiple suppliers. But often the different suppliers were used to supply the assembly plants closer to that supplier and not to all assembly plants and lines typically
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Some examples from the photo collection - all 67 San Jose this time
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/11/6-171218174530.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/11/6-171218174147.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/11/6-171218174512.jpeg)
Below is not just another picture of the example above though it would be easy to assume it was.
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/11/6-171218174124.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/11/6-171218174053.jpeg)
Looks like there is a possible lower (metal section) scallop but typically the rubber comes up far enough to hide it or hide much of it
Hope this helps illustrate what I found. Sure there are more examples
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The pictures you have of these small details never ceases to amaze me.
Thanks!