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Title: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: bullitt68 on March 08, 2020, 01:05:44 AM
Looking to confirm if these fasteners are correct before I commit any time to refinish them. I based these finishes on my research, but just want to make sure I am correct in my findings.

Thanks

1. Brake line bolts (Phosphate and oil)
2. Brake line clips (Natural & Black paint)
3. Brake distro valve nut (Phosphate and oil)  Bolt (Silver Zinc)
4. Power ram nut  (Silver Zinc)
5. Horn bolts (Phosphate and oil)
6. Hood latch bolts (Cad)
7. Water pump bolts   (Phosphate and oil then painted)
8. Inner Shock tower cover bolts (Phosphate and oil)
9. Brake booster nuts (CAD)
10. Motor mount bolts  (Phosphate and oil)
11. Power ram bracket to frame bolts (Phosphate and oil, nuts Red Dichromate, washers?)
12. Cross member bolts  (Phosphate)
13. Fan spacer bolts & Washers (Phosphate)
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: Bob Gaines on March 08, 2020, 01:30:02 PM
Looking to confirm if these fasteners are correct before I commit any time to refinish them. I based these finishes on my research, but just want to make sure I am correct in my findings.

Thanks

1. Brake line bolts (Phosphate and oil)
2. Brake line clips (Natural & Black paint)
3. Brake distro valve nut (Phosphate and oil)  Bolt (Silver Zinc)
4. Power ram nut  (Silver Zinc)
5. Horn bolts (Phosphate and oil)
6. Hood latch bolts (Cad)
7. Water pump bolts   (Phosphate and oil then painted)
8. Inner Shock tower cover bolts (Phosphate and oil)
9. Brake booster nuts (CAD)
10. Motor mount bolts  (Phosphate and oil)
11. Power ram bracket to frame bolts (Phosphate and oil, nuts Red Dichromate, washers?)
12. Cross member bolts  (Phosphate)
13. Fan spacer bolts & Washers (Phosphate)
2-screws are zinc silver and clips zinc silver , 7-zinc silver/cad, power ram nut should be silver but you have the wrong style nut. Nut should be a thin jam nut held by a shell jam nut.13-zinc silver/cad.
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: jwc66k on March 08, 2020, 02:44:23 PM
Looking to confirm if these fasteners are correct before I commit any time to refinish them. I based these finishes on my research, but just want to make sure I am correct in my findings.
Have you looked in the Forum's library under topic "Mustang Hardware Spreadsheet 67-68"? There are two files, one by part number, the other by application. Both files list hardware finishes as part of the Ford hardware part number and in a second column that can be sorted.
Jim
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: bullitt68 on March 08, 2020, 03:04:27 PM
2-screws are zinc silver and clips zinc silver , 7-zinc silver/cad, power ram nut should be silver but you have the wrong style nut. Nut should be a thin jam nut held by a shell jam nut.13-zinc silver/cad.

Thanks Bob that is great info. I will probably just order the correct fasteners from AMK that I am missing as they should come in the correct finish etc, but will use as many original fasteners as I can since I am able to do cad plating in house. We do Silver Zinc/Clear Zinc, Silver CAD, Dichromate etc. The vapour blaster & tumbler are great for natural finishes as well and some cases just Evaporust does the trick. I usually start with an Evaporust bath for a few days, then a solvent tank bath if required. In some cases the part may require a trip to the dry media blaster or straight to the vapour blaster. However I only use the dry media blaster if there is paint on the fastener if the other steps have not stripped the part clean. Final step is a cleaning bath in muriatic acid and then into which ever finishing process is required
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: bullitt68 on March 08, 2020, 03:06:49 PM
Have you looked in the Forum's library under topic "Mustang Hardware Spreadsheet 67-68"? There are two files, one by part number, the other by application. Both files list hardware finishes as part of the Ford hardware part number and in a second column that can be sorted.
Jim

Hi Jim. Yes I used the spreadsheet, but I am new to it and it is a bit confusing, which I why I wanted to double check and be sure. Hopefully I will get the hang of it. I cross reference the spreadsheet with the MPC, but I was not always able to find exactly what I was looking for, but I find sorting alphabetically really helps and so does numerically for searching. A great reference tool indeed.
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: jwc66k on March 08, 2020, 06:04:02 PM
I cross reference the spreadsheet with the MPC, but I was not always able to find exactly what I was looking for, but I find sorting alphabetically really helps and so does numerically for searching. .
Ford Car Parts (aka the MPC) is not really a good source to determine body or interior hardware part numbers or finishes. Ford dealers could not stock all the different pieces of hardware used on the assembly lines for all models of cars and trucks (include Mercury), so what is shown in the MPC is what works, and not what was originally installed. The exceptions are engines, transmissions and differentials internals, and that is not an absolute. The best source (and that is not always true) for hardware parts and finishes is the Osborn Mustang Assembly Manual. What is listed there is what Ford Engineering intended to be used, and that was subject to assembly line procedures and availability. (Note to Cougar owners, a lot of Cougar stuff is in some of the assembly manuals.)
A great reference tool indeed.
Thanks. The story behind the spreadsheets is simple. I went to a local Mustang shop (now closed) and told the counter guy I needed, "one each of the bolt that held the clutch return spring bracket to the brake support on a 66 Mustang GT Fastback, four speed". He said he had no idea what it was. Well, he didn't, but I decided to find out. That was over 25 years ago. The Osborn Manuals made it possible.
OH, the bolt I needed (technically, it's a machine screw) is 43490-S8, 5/16-18 X 3/4 Hex, split lockwasher, clear zinc plated. AMK does not carry that exact bolt.
Jim
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: bullitt68 on March 08, 2020, 06:10:26 PM
Ford Car Parts (aka the MPC) is not really a good source to determine body or interior hardware part numbers or finishes. Ford dealers could not stock all the different pieces of hardware used on the assembly lines for all models of cars and trucks (include Mercury), so what is shown in the MPC is what works, and not what was originally installed. The exceptions are engines, transmissions and differentials internals, and that is not an absolute. The best source (and that is not always true) for hardware parts and finishes is the Osborn Mustang Assembly Manual. What is listed there is what Ford Engineering intended to be used, and that was subject to assembly line procedures and availability. (Note to Cougar owners, a lot of Cougar stuff is in some of the assembly manuals.) Thanks. The story behind the spreadsheets is simple. I went to a local Mustang shop (now closed) and told the counter guy I needed, "one each of the bolt that held the clutch return spring bracket to the brake support on a 66 Mustang GT Fastback, four speed". He said he had no idea what it was. Well, he didn't, but I decided to find out. That was over 25 years ago. The Osborn Manuals made it possible.
OH, the bolt I needed (technically, it's a machine screw) is 43490-S8, 5/16-18 X 3/4 Hex, split lockwasher, clear zinc plated. AMK does not carry that exact bolt.
Jim

Thanks Jim I have the Osborn manuals and will cross reference those as well. Between them I should be able to get close, but sometimes if unsure I will post and ask just to make sure.

What about this detailing guide (K.A. Helm 1995). Are you familiar with it. It is not overly specific. Just curious how accurate is it?
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: J_Speegle on March 08, 2020, 07:35:29 PM
What about this detailing guide (K.A. Helm 1995). Are you familiar with it. It is not overly specific. Just curious how accurate is it?

Would not suggest using it for anything. No reason to. You have much much better options now than you did back when this was originally published (way over a decade ago) and even then allot of the details were taken from the final versions of the MPCs it appears. Just my bias opinion on this one
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: bullitt68 on March 08, 2020, 07:39:37 PM
Would not suggest using it for anything. No reason to. You have much much better options now than you did back when this was originally published (way over a decade ago) and even then allot of the details were taken from the final versions of the MPCs it appears. Just my bias opinion on this one

Thanks Jeff. I had to ask as I have seen a few things that do not jive with the information I am getting. I can't recall where I got the book from, but I probably ordered it on line when I ordered the Osborn manuals. At the time it was the only list I had. I am sure it serves as a guide for many people who don't know there is more accurate information available
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: J_Speegle on March 08, 2020, 07:44:10 PM
8. Inner Shock tower cover bolts (Phosphate and oil)

9. Brake booster nuts (CAD)

13. Fan spacer bolts & Washers (Phosphate)

Just a couple in the list

If you look through the unrestored pictures in that section and focus on the 68 San Jose examples you can answer some of these questions and have visual confirmation at the same time ;)

8- Try the pictures (easiest to see) in the Early 68 T code San Jose Coupe thread

9- Of course the booster nuts will be painted when you paint the booster and master cylinder assembly all together as a unit

10- You have a fan spacer??

................ At the time it was the only list I had. I am sure it serves as a guide for many people who don't know there is more accurate information available

As we have seen all too often owners just want to buy a book or guide that is suppose to provide all the answers and as always there are people out there who will fill  the need with a product be it good or bad. No matter the item many companies will continue to carry and sell items because "people buy them" and owners will buy them assuming that the reason companies carry them is because they must be of some use or why would the company promote the item.   ::)  Have had this conversation many times with shops and companies and even back when I started one many moons ago
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: bullitt68 on March 08, 2020, 07:49:21 PM
Just a couple in the list

If you look through the unrestored pictures in that section and focus on the 68 San Jose examples you can answer some of these questions and have visual confirmation at the same time ;)

8- Try the pictures (easiest to see) in the Early 68 T code San Jose Coupe thread

9- Of course the booster nuts will be painted when you paint the booster and master cylinder assembly all together as a unit

10- You have a fan spacer??

Thanks Jeff I will check out the survivor thread. Good question on the fan spacer?? I don't have one currently, but though that I needed one for some reason, but I may be getting confused looking at the fastener spreadsheet. I will also check the MPC

So does that mean that the booster was painted on the firewall, which would explain the painted nuts. I have already painted my booster while it was off the car
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: Bob Gaines on March 08, 2020, 11:11:40 PM
Thanks Jeff I will check out the survivor thread. Good question on the fan spacer?? I don't have one currently, but though that I needed one for some reason, but I may be getting confused looking at the fastener spreadsheet. I will also check the MPC

So does that mean that the booster was painted on the firewall, which would explain the painted nuts. I have already painted my booster while it was off the car
Your 390 car uses a fan clutch from the factory which bolts to the fan with 4 short sems type bots that are zinc silver. The fan clutch is secured to the waterpump and waterpump pulley on the flange end by 4 sems type fine thread bolts. The flange bolts at the pulley are zinc silver.
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: J_Speegle on March 08, 2020, 11:21:10 PM
Bob got the spacer/clutch one handled and there is an example in the threads I mentioned so on to the other one

So does that mean that the booster was painted on the firewall, which would explain the painted nuts. I have already painted my booster while it was off the car

No this means that the provider of the master cylinder and booster painted them together as a complete unit before they arrived at the car assembly plant ready to install Like the example below though it is for a different application. Bale on the master cylinder cap would have been closed on it also  ::)

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/13/6-080320222033.jpeg)
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: bullitt68 on March 09, 2020, 01:28:22 AM
Your 390 car uses a fan clutch from the factory which bolts to the fan with 4 short sems type bots that are zinc silver. The fan clutch is secured to the waterpump and waterpump pulley on the flange end by 4 sems type fine thread bolts. The flange bolts at the pulley are zinc silver.

Thanks Bob. My car came with a typical aftermarket aluminum fan with a spacer. I am glad to be slowly swapping out all of the parts that were changed for correct parts.
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: bullitt68 on March 09, 2020, 01:35:39 AM
Bob got the spacer/clutch one handled and there is an example in the threads I mentioned so on to the other one

No this means that the provider of the master cylinder and booster painted them together as a complete unit before they arrived at the car assembly plant ready to install Like the example below though it is for a different application. Bale on the master cylinder cap would have been closed on it also  ::)

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/13/6-080320222033.jpeg)

Ah ok got it, thanks Jeff. Sorry I was referring the the other nuts & bolts that attach the booster to the firewall. I will mask off the booster and paint the rest of the assembly with the booster masked off
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: Bob Gaines on March 09, 2020, 02:24:05 AM
Ah ok got it, thanks Jeff. Sorry I was referring the the other nuts & bolts that attach the booster to the firewall. I will mask off the booster and paint the rest of the assembly with the booster masked off
The nuts on the interior side of the booster are zinc silver with very late production possibly being coated with the safety red dye.  The bolt that is secured from the engine side is silver. With that said once the booster was installed it and all other things coming out of the firewall were spray sealed on the engine side of the firewall . In the case of the silver bolt holding the booster from the engine side it will appear black since it is typically covered with the sealer after installation.
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: bullitt68 on March 09, 2020, 02:38:57 AM
The nuts on the interior side of the booster are zinc silver with very late production possibly being coated with the safety red dye.  The bolt that is secured from the engine side is silver. With that said once the booster was installed it and all other things coming out of the firewall were spray sealed on the engine side of the firewall . In the case of the silver bolt holding the booster from the engine side it will appear black since it is typically covered with the sealer after installation.

Thanks Bob great info
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: bullitt68 on March 13, 2020, 02:40:45 AM
Just checking to confirm if these are the correct fasteners and if I have the finishes right. I cross referenced the Fastener Spreadsheet

Thanks

1. Front Spindle Arm Bolts (Phosphate & oil)
2. Shock Tower Carriage Bolts
3. Brake Line Bolts front frame wheel well (Silver Zinc)
4. Strut Rod Bolts  (Phosphate & oil)
5. Strut Rod Nuts (100)
6. Mystery Screw & Clip Firewall
7. Fuel Line Bolts  (Silver Zinc)
8. Quarter Panel Vents Studs (Gold Zinc Chromate)
9. Quarter Panel Vents Screws (Gold Zinc Chromate)
10.Quarter Panel Vents Nuts (Gold Zinc Chromate)
11.Quarter Panel Vents dome spacer(zinc silver)
12.Mystery Nuts & Bolts  (Gold Zinc Chromate)
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: RoyceP on March 13, 2020, 11:12:54 AM
Your photo #5 shows the copper bonding clip that reduces radio static caused by air flow across the hood. That clip is bare polished copper.
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: bullitt68 on March 13, 2020, 02:31:16 PM
Your photo #5 shows the copper bonding clip that reduces radio static caused by air flow across the hood. That clip is bare polished copper.

Thanks Royce
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: Bob Gaines on March 13, 2020, 07:57:14 PM
Your photo #5 shows the copper bonding clip that reduces radio static caused by air flow across the hood. That clip is bare polished copper.
Just to clarify the copper metal was what they call chemically polished and is not the mirror polish that can be done on a buffing wheel .  If you polish it by hand it will typically be too shiny but if you let it dull down some over a couple weeks -month it looks more closely to the chemical polished luster. In other words in concours it shouldn't have a mirror finish.
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: bullitt68 on March 13, 2020, 09:16:36 PM
Just to clarify the copper metal was what they call chemically polished and is not the mirror polish that can be done on a buffing wheel .  If you polish it by hand it will typically be too shiny but if you let it dull down some over a couple weeks -month it looks more closely to the chemical polished luster. In other words in concours it shouldn't have a mirror finish.

Thanks Bob. Where was the clip mounted on the firewall?
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: Bob Gaines on March 13, 2020, 10:32:18 PM
Thanks Bob. Where was the clip mounted on the firewall?
It wasn't mounted on the firewall. It was mounted on the cowl. It was on the passenger side close enough to make contact with the hood when is is closed. There should be a hole where it goes. Most likely Jeff S will come along with a pic.
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: bullitt68 on March 13, 2020, 11:33:00 PM
It wasn't mounted on the firewall. It was mounted on the cowl. It was on the passenger side close enough to make contact with the hood when is is closed. There should be a hole where it goes. Most likely Jeff S will come along with a pic.

Great thanks Bob. I will check my teardown photos and see if I can find one showing where it was mounted. I don't recall seeing it so it may have been buried under paint.
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: bullitt68 on March 14, 2020, 12:03:25 AM
It wasn't mounted on the firewall. It was mounted on the cowl. It was on the passenger side close enough to make contact with the hood when is is closed. There should be a hole where it goes. Most likely Jeff S will come along with a pic.

Hi Bob is this it?
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: Bob Gaines on March 14, 2020, 01:38:31 AM
Hi Bob is this it?
Yes.
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: bullitt68 on March 14, 2020, 01:54:54 AM
Yes.

Hopefully Jeff has an original photo. Is it safe to assume that the cowl and hood should be bare metal where the contact is made on the clip
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: RoyceP on March 14, 2020, 12:28:30 PM
No, the pointy parts on the clip pierce the paint to effect the bond. Your photo shows the clip bent completely out of shape. It looks like this installed properly:



Hopefully Jeff has an original photo. Is it safe to assume that the cowl and hood should be bare metal where the contact is made on the clip
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: bullitt68 on March 14, 2020, 02:48:17 PM
No, the pointy parts on the clip pierce the paint to effect the bond. Your photo shows the clip bent completely out of shape. It looks like this installed properly:

Thanks Royce appreciate it. Great shot. My car didn't even have the hood seal on it!
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: RoyceP on March 17, 2020, 06:29:44 PM
Here's an NOS one on eBay:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-67-68-Mustang-radio-hood-cowl-ground-strap-and-grease-cup-noise-suppressors/254506928334?hash=item3b41cb88ce:g:fmgAAOSwUBJdAVep

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/gioAAOSw1S9dAVey/s-l1600.jpg)
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: bullitt68 on March 17, 2020, 08:02:05 PM
Here's an NOS one on eBay:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-67-68-Mustang-radio-hood-cowl-ground-strap-and-grease-cup-noise-suppressors/254506928334?hash=item3b41cb88ce:g:fmgAAOSwUBJdAVep

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/gioAAOSw1S9dAVey/s-l1600.jpg)

Thanks Royce were does the grease cup go?
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: J_Speegle on March 17, 2020, 08:06:02 PM
Thanks Royce were does the grease cup go?

The roundish with legs pair go between your front hub bearing washer and the dust cap/cover


Lots of those tossed over the years when bearings were replaced or packed
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: bullitt68 on March 17, 2020, 08:07:02 PM
The roundish with legs pair go between your front hub bearing washer and the dust cap/cover


Lots of those tossed over the years when bearings were replaced or packed

Thanks Jeff I have never seen them before
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: bullitt68 on March 19, 2020, 08:20:51 PM
Ford Car Parts (aka the MPC) is not really a good source to determine body or interior hardware part numbers or finishes. Ford dealers could not stock all the different pieces of hardware used on the assembly lines for all models of cars and trucks (include Mercury), so what is shown in the MPC is what works, and not what was originally installed. The exceptions are engines, transmissions and differentials internals, and that is not an absolute. The best source (and that is not always true) for hardware parts and finishes is the Osborn Mustang Assembly Manual. What is listed there is what Ford Engineering intended to be used, and that was subject to assembly line procedures and availability. (Note to Cougar owners, a lot of Cougar stuff is in some of the assembly manuals.) Thanks. The story behind the spreadsheets is simple. I went to a local Mustang shop (now closed) and told the counter guy I needed, "one each of the bolt that held the clutch return spring bracket to the brake support on a 66 Mustang GT Fastback, four speed". He said he had no idea what it was. Well, he didn't, but I decided to find out. That was over 25 years ago. The Osborn Manuals made it possible.
OH, the bolt I needed (technically, it's a machine screw) is 43490-S8, 5/16-18 X 3/4 Hex, split lockwasher, clear zinc plated. AMK does not carry that exact bolt.
Jim

Thanks Jim. I was getting confused as the Osborne Mustang Assembly Manual has different finishes listed than the MPC. I will go with the Osborne info, but I also noticed that it does not list finishes for all of the fasteners and clips etc, so I will have to post and ask questions to confirm as the Osborne manual does not show finishes for all of the fasteners.
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: jwc66k on March 20, 2020, 12:09:22 AM
Thanks Jim. I was getting confused as the Osborne Mustang Assembly Manual has different finishes listed than the MPC. I will go with the Osborne info, but I also noticed that it does not list finishes for all of the fasteners and clips etc, so I will have to post and ask questions to confirm as the Osborne manual does not show finishes for all of the fasteners.
In the library, check out "Mustang Hardware Spreadsheet 67-68", both files (by part number and by application). It may answer part of your question.
Jim
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: bullitt68 on March 20, 2020, 01:42:19 AM
In the library, check out "Mustang Hardware Spreadsheet 67-68", both files (by part number and by application). It may answer part of your question.
Jim

So does the Library, trump the Osborne Manuals?
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: jwc66k on March 20, 2020, 12:19:10 PM
Let me "enlighten" you. First a question, did you read the first entry on the thread? If you have not, I suggest you do. If you have, reread it.
In answer to your question,
So does the Library, trump the Osborne Manuals?
- yes, and you will be abiding by it.
Jim
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: bullitt68 on March 20, 2020, 02:06:52 PM
Let me "enlighten" you. First a question, did you read the first entry on the thread? If you have not, I suggest you do. If you have, reread it.
In answer to your question, - yes, and you will be abiding by it.
Jim
Yes I did read it Jim, But I wanted to double check to make sure that I finish my fasteners correctly, and there are several sources of information out there that people are using. I am just trying to boil it down to the definitive source. Your help is appreciated, but I do find some gaps and some fasters I have been unable to trace to any source.
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: jwc66k on March 20, 2020, 04:07:09 PM
Your help is appreciated, but I do find some gaps and some fasters I have been unable to trace to any source.
List them. I've made several corrections to the spreadsheets over the years based on forum members queries.
Jim
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: bullitt68 on March 20, 2020, 04:16:45 PM
List them. I've made several corrections to the spreadsheets over the years based on forum members queries.
Jim

Thanks Jim will do
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: jwc66k on March 20, 2020, 04:33:15 PM
Thanks Jim will do
If possible, by part number please.
Jim
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: bullitt68 on March 21, 2020, 12:13:51 AM
If possible, by part number please.
Jim

Hi Jim here is my first question of a fastener that I can't find the correct finish for. Perhaps I am not cross referencing correctly, and that would explain why there are some fasteners I can't locate.

359662-S

I am looking for the shock tower cover bolts and nuts. I found the part number in the MPC, but could not find it in the Osbourne manuals or on the spreadsheet. This is just once such example of the issue I am having cross referencing.

Thanks
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: bullitt68 on March 21, 2020, 12:25:03 AM
If possible, by part number please.
Jim

Hi Jim here is another example. What am I missing?

354530-S

I am looking for the Differential U-Bolt nuts. I found the part number in the MPC, but could not find it in the Osbourne manuals or on the spreadsheet.

Thanks

Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: bullitt68 on March 21, 2020, 12:43:40 AM
If possible, by part number please.
Jim

Hi Jim scratch that on the shock tower cover (378178-S39). I found it in the Osbourne Body Manual and was able to cross reference it on the spreadsheet. I see what you mean about the MPC now.

Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: jwc66k on March 21, 2020, 01:00:19 AM
Hi Jim here is another example. What am I missing?

354530-S

I am looking for the Differential U-Bolt nuts. I found the part number in the MPC, but could not find it in the Osbourne manuals or on the spreadsheet.
In what document did you find this nut, 354530-S? All I can tell you now is it's a 1/2-20nut, 0.560 in thick, 27-32 hex drive, nylon locking.
Remember, the rear axle was installed as a sub-assembly, assembled in another plant to its own set of documents. As such, the assembly line drawings would not apply. The same goes for engines and transmissions. For sub-assemblies, the MPC is the only source for hardware, and I have used it to document those types of items. In many instances, the MPC does not list finish, as the item is supplied to Ford Service Departments in one finish only. This was to reduce the number of inventory items.
Jim
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: bullitt68 on March 21, 2020, 01:03:54 AM
In what document did you find this nut, 354530-S? All I can tell you now is it's a 1/2-20nut, 0.560 in thick, 27-32 hex drive, nylon locking.
Remember, the rear axle was installed as a sub-assembly, assembled in another plant to its own set of documents. As such, the assembly line drawings would not apply. The same goes for engines and transmissions. For sub-assemblies, the MPC is the only source for hardware, and I have used it to document those types of items. In many instances, the MPC does not list finish, as the item is supplied to Ford Service Departments in one finish only. This was to reduce the number of inventory items.
Jim

Thanks Jim I think I've got it now. I appreciate the info
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: bullitt68 on March 23, 2020, 01:39:32 AM
Well I have been able to get most of the information I was looking for from the spread sheet, but there are a few fasteners that I am missing information on. One issue is I am not sure how to decipher S100. Several parts are shown as S100 but it does not indicate specifically which color of dichromate.

Here are a few examples

1. Front Spindle Axle Shaft Nut (Dichromate) S100
2. Pitman Arm Nut (Dichromate) S100
3. Large Inner Tie Rod Nuts (Dichromate) S100
4. Rag Joint Bolt (Dichromate) S100
5. Brake Distro Valve Nut & washer (Dichromate) S100
6. Front Brake Banjo Bolt (Red Zinc DiChromate) S100
7. Front Spindle Bolts (DiChromate) S100

Other Finishes I am not sure about

1. Smaller Outer Tie Rod Nut (S43)
2. Sway Bar Long Bolts to control arms
3. Sway Bar Long Sleeves to control arms
4. Strut Rod Cup Washers & Sleeves
5. Control Arm bolts to Body (0) (I have 3 sets all different is there a correct one, or are they all acceptable)
6. Engine Ground Bolt

Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: jwc66k on March 23, 2020, 01:56:05 PM
1. Smaller Outer Tie Rod Nut (S43)
2. Sway Bar Long Bolts to control arms
3. Sway Bar Long Sleeves to control arms
4. Strut Rod Cup Washers & Sleeves
5. Control Arm bolts to Body (0) (I have 3 sets all different is there a correct one, or are they all acceptable)
6. Engine Ground Bolt

Part numbers would help. With the virus "self-quarantine" , I have the time to do some research, and I assume you may as well.
Jim
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: jwc66k on March 23, 2020, 01:57:48 PM
1. Front Spindle Axle Shaft Nut (Dichromate) S100
2. Pitman Arm Nut (Dichromate) S100
3. Large Inner Tie Rod Nuts (Dichromate) S100
4. Rag Joint Bolt (Dichromate) S100
5. Brake Distro Valve Nut & washer (Dichromate) S100
6. Front Brake Banjo Bolt (Red Zinc DiChromate) S100
7. Front Spindle Bolts (DiChromate) S100
I'm sure this has been discussed previously. Try the "search" feature.
Jim
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: bullitt68 on March 23, 2020, 02:24:30 PM

Part numbers would help. With the virus "self-quarantine" , I have the time to do some research, and I assume you may as well.
Jim

Hi Jim I will get the part numbers for you. Some I could not find part numbers for.

1. Front Spindle Axle Shaft Nut (Dichromate) S100 Can't find part number
2. Pitman Arm Nut to Steering Box (Dichromate) S100 380771-S100   100
3. Large Inner Tie Rod Nuts (Dichromate) S100 380460-S100 - 380517-S100
4. Rag Joint Bolt (Dichromate) S100 Can't find part number
5. Brake Distro Valve Nut & washer (Dichromate) S100 379930-S100
6. Front Brake Banjo Bolt (Red Zinc DiChromate) S100 382365-S100
7. Front Spindle Bolts (DiChromate) S100 382713-S101


Other Finishes I am not sure about

1. Smaller Outer Tie Rod Nut (S43)  Can't find part number
2. Sway Bar Long Bolts to control arms  Can't find part number
3. Sway Bar Long Sleeves to control arms  Can't find part number
4. Strut Rod Cup Washers & Sleeves C380459-S0
5. Control Arm bolts to Body 380459-S0 (I have 3 sets all different is there a correct one, or are they all acceptable)
6. Engine Ground Bolt Can't find part number
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: bullitt68 on March 23, 2020, 02:58:33 PM
I'm sure this has been discussed previously. Try the "search" feature.
Jim

Hi Jim I did a search but I could not find a thread that gave a list of finishes for the parts I listed
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: jwc66k on March 23, 2020, 04:21:43 PM
Hi Jim I did a search but I could not find a thread that gave a list of finishes for the parts I listed
It's not the actual parts, but the finish code "S100" that you need to enter. There's three pages.
As to the rest, do you have a copy of the Osborn "68 Mustang Chassis Assembly Manual"? The part numbers are there, plus the spread sheet by application. The quality of the page is not so good, but "usable".
Jim
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: bullitt68 on March 23, 2020, 04:40:42 PM
It's not the actual parts, but the finish code "S100" that you need to enter. There's three pages.
As to the rest, do you have a copy of the Osborn "68 Mustang Chassis Assembly Manual"? The part numbers are there, plus the spread sheet by application. The quality of the page is not so good, but "usable".
Jim

Yes I have the Osbourne manual and that is where I got some of the part numbers from and the other part numbers from the spreadsheet. I have gone as far as I can go using these methods, but don't have any reference that tells me what finish the S100 should be for these specific parts. For the other parts I listed I am not sure what is the correct finish, but would like to confirm so that I can relish them correctly. Unfortunately there are several other references ou there that further complicate the process, so I was hoping that this would be the place to ask questions to get confirmation for these fasteners/parts. I was able to get the information from the spreadsheet and Osbourne manual for most of the fasteners on the car. Since I am refinishing every fastener on my car and I have confirmed 95% through this process I was hoping someone could answer the questions for the ones that I am unclear on.

Thanks
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: jwc66k on March 23, 2020, 07:53:47 PM
Ok, just for you, a custom spreadsheet for the "1968 Mustang Chassis Assembly Manual", AM0025 (listed as AM025 in the spreadsheet), sorted by the pages of the manual, then by part number. Have at it.
Don't take this wrong, but in creating the custom spreadsheet, I found several errors and corrected them in the master file. You drove me to it. There are over 10,000 in the master file, and I did not check them all. The next release of the spreadsheets will reflect those corrections.
(I did this while taking a break from dish washer repair; a laptop computer screen troubleshooting; digging an irrigation trench around a Japanese Zelcova while the rain has temporarily stopped; and trying to stay sane in self-quarantine.)
Jim
Title: Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Various Fasteners Confirmation and Finishes
Post by: bullitt68 on March 23, 2020, 07:55:40 PM
Ok, just for you, a custom spreadsheet for the "1968 Mustang Chassis Assembly Manual", AM0025 (listed as AM025 in the spreadsheet), sorted by the pages of the manual, then by part number. Have at it.
Don't take this wrong, but in creating the custom spreadsheet, I found several errors and corrected them in the master file. You drove me to it. There are over 10,000 in the master file, and I did not check them all. The next release of the spreadsheets will reflect those corrections.
(I did this while taking a break from dish washer repair; a laptop computer screen troubleshooting; digging an irrigation trench around a Japanese Zelcova while the rain has temporarily stopped; and trying to stay sane in self-quarantine.)
Jim

Thanks Jim that is greatly appreciated. Stay safe my friend. You are indeed the fastener Guru!