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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1968 Mustang => Topic started by: bullitt68 on March 30, 2020, 12:42:19 AM
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Can anyone confirm if the wiper motor was gold dichromate. I am not sure if the remnants are gold dichromate or something else.
Thanks
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Does anyone know where I can get these grommets. I have checked around but have not been able to source anything. I know that AMK makes lots of styles and sizes of grommets, but not sure what size these grommets are.
Thanks
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wiper motor painted black based on all I've seen.
For the rubber inserts, did you look at the Osborn manual yet? Do you have it? I can take a look tomorrow when I'm in the shop
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wiper motor painted black based on all I've seen.
For the rubber inserts, did you look at the Osborn manual yet? Do you have it? I can take a look tomorrow when I'm in the shop
I will check the Osbourne Manual tonight. My wiper motor had no paint on it at all and seemed to have remnants of Gold DICHROMATE, but it could have just been bare metal
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Can anyone confirm if the wiper motor was gold dichromate. I am not sure if the remnants are gold dichromate or something else.
Not sure if your asking about zinc dichromate for the motor housing or removable cover? The transmission housing is just bare cast
Housing halves may have been plated under the final black paint job before they were assembled so hardware was not painted. May have been painted in black lacquer and didn't hold up will in many climates
I've seen the removable transmission covers plated in zinc dichromate on other years. Not sure if I have one in nice fresh condition in my pictures but will look
Motor housing pictures - at least from the bottom as installed
Pictures labeled I7 in Late 68 San Jose C Code Coupe - Unrestored Picture Thread
And in (before I was labeling each picture) Jan? 68 San Jose C code bench seat coupe - Unrestored Picture Thread
(http://Jan? 68 San Jose C code bench seat coupe - Unrestored Picture Thread) - Third picture, first post
Reply #4 in Unrestored June 68 San Jose C Code Coupe Pictures (http://Unrestored June 68 San Jose C Code Coupe Pictures)
One example for the non-members/lurkers :)
From 8R1364xx
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/13/6-310320232733.jpeg)
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Very interesting. Thanks Jeff. I was referring to both as there is no evidence of any paint residue on the motor casing. You can clearly see some residue of some form of zinc plating on the cover. Looks like dichromate, but could also just be age.
I think that the links are broken as they don't open, but I will go top these threads and have a look
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I have see several motors that I thought were bare steel. I guess they could have had a light zinc dichromate coating that did no told up. They were defiantly not painted black because of the date stamps are intact.
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I have see several motors that I thought were bare steel. I guess they could have had a light zinc dichromate coating that did no told up. They were defiantly not painted black because of the date stamps are intact.
Yes it looked that way to me as well. Perhaps a case of different plants doing different things at different times. Also no evidence of the M97 stamp
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Checked my pictures and found about a dozen examples ( all 68 San Jose around the same period as yours) all painted black. One example (think its the lacquer as mentioned earlier) where 90% of the paint was missing. Just reporting back:)
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Checked my pictures and found about a dozen examples ( all 68 San Jose around the same period as yours) all painted black. One example (think its the lacquer as mentioned earlier) where 90% of the paint was missing. Just reporting back:)
Mine must be one of the exceptions as Marty pointed out as the stamps went right on the bare metal. In this photo it does look like dichromate residue
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Don't have any good photos but both of my cars have black motors with p/n ink stamped on the end like the one Jeff shows.
http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=19036.0 (http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=19036.0)
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For mounting hardware, I found these pictures.
In the first picture, third item down from the top, is the rubber grommet. The fourth item down is a tubular sleeve, flanged on one end, that prevents the rubber from being crushed.
Second picture is a close up of the grommet.
Third picture is when installed. You can see one side of the grommet.
Hopefully this helps.
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After looking at the Ford fastener catalog (1969) it looks like it is a type 3 grommet. But the only one listed is part 353630. You can check those dimensions against your bracket and bolt.
But I still suggest that you look at the assembly manual. Another source (that I did not check) is Jim's fastener spreadsheet. I would think that the bolt is covered, not sure about the grommet.
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For mounting hardware, I found these pictures.
In the first picture, third item down from the top, is the rubber grommet. The fourth item down is a tubular sleeve, flanged on one end, that prevents the rubber from being crushed.
Second picture is a close up of the grommet.
Third picture is when installed. You can see one side of the grommet.
Hopefully this helps.
Great thanks. Did you reuse your your grommets or replace them?
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After looking at the Ford fastener catalog (1969) it looks like it is a type 3 grommet. But the only one listed is part 353630. You can check those dimensions against your bracket and bolt.
But I still suggest that you look at the assembly manual. Another source (that I did not check) is Jim's fastener spreadsheet. I would think that the bolt is covered, not sure about the grommet.
Ok thanks will do
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Great thanks. Did you reuse your your grommets or replace them?
Reused. I (and others) might have extras
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Reused. I (and others) might have extras
OK thanks John let me know. Mine are ok, but being a desert car they are dried out and cracked. My concern is when I remove them to paint the bracket, as I am sure that they will get damaged. I would prefer a new set if I can find some. Appreciate it
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Aha, here is where the rusty and damp cars come in handy...
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But I still suggest that you look at the assembly manual.
Another source (that I did not check) is Jim's fastener spreadsheet.
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Nope. Not there. I added all the hardware from the Assembly Manuals first, and followed up on listing hardware from the MPC as it was "discovered". In this case, I will find what I can from the MPC on wiper motors, list it in the spreadsheets, and report here on what I find that is pertinent to the topic. So far, there is no grommet information in the 60-68 MPC for Mustangs. To make a determination for a usable grommet, the following information (which I don't have, no 68 Mustangs in my garage) is needed: the mounting screw diameter; the hole in the bracket diameter; bracket thickness; outside diameter of an existing grommet, probably the grommet's "shadow" on the bracket is the best reference if you don't have a useable one. If you don't have a set of calipers, I suggest you invest in a set. Don't bother with the battery powered types, the batteries wear out and you got nothing. Dial calipers from e-bay is your best source, usually under $30.
Jim
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Aha, here is where the rusty and damp cars come in handy...
Yeas agreed. Since my car was a desert car everything that was rubber or plastic dried out. On a positive note anything that was metal was perfectly preserve and looked like new for the most part. I guess its a pretty good trade off lol!
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Another source (that I did not check) is Jim's fastener spreadsheet.
Nope. Not there. I added all the hardware from the Assembly Manuals first, and followed up on listing hardware from the MPC as it was "discovered". In this case, I will find what I can from the MPC on wiper motors, list it in the spreadsheets, and report here on what I find that is pertinent to the topic. So far, there is no grommet information in the 60-68 MPC for Mustangs. To make a determination for a usable grommet, the following information (which I don't have, no 68 Mustangs in my garage) is needed: the mounting screw diameter; the hole in the bracket diameter; bracket thickness; outside diameter of an existing grommet, probably the grommet's "shadow" on the bracket is the best reference if you don't have a useable one. If you don't have a set of calipers, I suggest you invest in a set. Don't bother with the battery powered types, the batteries wear out and you got nothing. Dial calipers from e-bay is your best source, usually under $30.
Jim
Great thanks Jim. Will do
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I went thru the 60-68 Ford Car Parts (aka, MPC) and the 75 edition of Ford Car Parts (aka, MPC) and neither had grommet information. The 60-68 Illustration section (Section 175) was the only source of hardware information. The 75 edition was very deficient on 64-68 wipers. The best I could determine is that the 64-66 grommets MAY be the same as 67/68. Also the 62-65 Falcon "appears" to use grommets. That gives a larger range of cars to look. No other Ford uses that type of wiper installation.
Jim
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I went thru the 60-68 Ford Car Parts (aka, MPC) and the 75 edition of Ford Car Parts (aka, MPC) and neither had grommet information. The 60-68 Illustration section (Section 175) was the only source of hardware information. The 75 edition was very deficient on 64-68 wipers. The best I could determine is that the 64-66 grommets MAY be the same as 67/68. Also the 62-65 Falcon "appears" to use grommets. That gives a larger range of cars to look. No other Ford uses that type of wiper installation.
Jim
Thanks Jim
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Here is what I have determined thus far, referring to the attached document. Aside from the bolt, it looks to me like everything is special. Also I'm not surprised to not see the information in the MPC, there is no reason for these to be serviced. If the mechanic was to the point where he had the wiper motor assembly out of the car, it would make no sense to put an old one back in, just grab a new one off the shelf.
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Here is what I have determined thus far, referring to the attached document. Aside from the bolt, it looks to me like everything is special. Also I'm not surprised to not see the information in the MPC, there is no reason for these to be serviced. If the mechanic was to the point where he had the wiper motor assembly out of the car, it would make no sense to put an old one back in, just grab a new one off the shelf.
Thanks John that is great information. Very thorough and highly documented. Did you do that for everything on your car?
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AMK makes this part listed as Ford Wiper Motor grommets. Obviously they are not correct, but they could be trimmed. Unfortunately they dont list dimensions. Is anyone familiar with this part.
This may also be an option
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I wonder if the wiper motor was supplied by an outside vendor, which is why so many of the fasteners appear not to be Ford parts.
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The "replaces Ford 17562" looked familiar, the 17xxx base number series of Ford part numbers includes windshield wiper parts. The number does not have any entries in the 60-68 MPC, but it is possible. The AMK grommet, E6AE-17C431, does have listing for full side Fords, T-Birds and 66 on Fairlanes and Falcons under base number "17C431". The style did appear in one of the 60-68 MPC pages for full Size Ford - not Mustang.
If a measurement of the hole in the mounting bracket could be made, it might "enhance" the possibility that the grommet in the second picture (replaces 17562) might work. The 75 edition MPC was no help on either of those numbers.
Jim
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The "replaces Ford 17562" looked familiar, the 17xxx base number series of Ford part numbers includes windshield wiper parts. The number does not have any entries in the 60-68 MPC, but it is possible. The AMK grommet, E6AE-17C431, does have listing for full side Fords, T-Birds and 66 on Fairlanes and Falcons under base number "17C431". The style did appear in one of the 60-68 MPC pages for full Size Ford - not Mustang.
If a measurement of the hole in the mounting bracket could be made, it might "enhance" the possibility that the grommet in the second picture (replaces 17562) might work. The 75 edition MPC was no help on either of those numbers.
Jim
Thanks Jim. I have ordered both grommets and will update once I receive and see which is a better choice and if either will work
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The E6AE-17C431 grommet is not Mustang.
Jim
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I did manage to remove the wiper motor mount grommets and they came out easier than I expected with minimal damage. However they are still cracked on one side. Just curious if the look good enough to use or if I should continue my hunt. I have ordered a few different options and will compare what I have and see what look the best. If the originals are acceptable I may just go that route