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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1964 1/2 - 1965 => Topic started by: KCodeK on January 04, 2011, 05:32:51 PM
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I don't know it this was a good find or not, anyway I have acquired a complete set of rear tie downs including the original bolts for a 65.
My question is, when were they put on and how would they look as far as paint before they were removed at the dealer? I want to put them in a box to go with the car.
Thanks
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Come now, with that many views, someone must know something!!!
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Come now, with that many views, someone must know something!!!
They were put on sometime after the car was painted but before the exhaust was installed IMHO. The San Jose ones appear to be dipped in thin black paint. Since they were supposed to be taken off at the dealer and sent back for re use, I guess it would depend how many times they were reused. If they got reused they could look pretty banged up. If it was the first go around they could look mint. I have a feeling only a small percentage were sent back for re use. I hope this helps. Bob
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My question is, when were they put on and how would they look as far as paint before they were removed at the dealer?
They would not be painted if your car came from Dearborn or NJ. In any case you would expect witness groves and scratches from the bolts and removing them
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I've found black on Dearborn cars also...
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So Dearborn units could have been either natural (phosphate & Oil) or Black.....what sheen of Black? what about the bolts?
Charles & Jeff, Do you prefer to see these hold downs on a car finished properly or prefer not to see them at all (on a concours car)?? (due to the fact that they were "supoesedly removed for re-use"
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I don't mind seeing them on a show cars. A lot of the cars I've had never had the tie downs removed.
The ones I've seen black were just dipped in semi-gloss black, usually a thin mixture.
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I'm with Charles - I know of no judge that has a problem with them on the car at a show. Having them off and on display would be out of the norm at a show is that would not be the way that the car would have been delivered (removed but still with the car) to the first buyer
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So Dearborn units could have been either natural (phosphate & Oil) or Black.....what sheen of Black? what about the bolts?
Charles & Jeff, Do you prefer to see these hold downs on a car finished properly or prefer not to see them at all (on a concours car)?? (due to the fact that they were "supoesedly removed for re-use"
I agree that they could ether be on or off. We know from a significant amount of observations that many were left on even though the sticker in the license plate area put on at the factory direct them to be taken off. The bare steel tie downs that I have seen were bare virgin steel finish and not the darker phosphate and oil. Another historical detail if leaving the tie downs off is that there should be some kind of evidence that the tie downs had been on the car like scuffed paint etc. It should look like something had been there bolted on and then taken off rather then a perfect frame rail IMHO. It doesn't have to be much IMHO. Bob
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OK, now we are cookin, that's what I wanted to know!
Thanks
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Hi guys
Second problem i´m dealing with are the dealer or factory installed tie down
brackets on the rear frame rails. On my 66 San Jose car they are bolted on
with two screws. On 65 the had 3 screws the third one was bolted in
on the under side of the frame rails.
Now my question.... Is this just a 65/66 difference or is there more
to know about??
THanks Jerry
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there are various factors affecting the tie down brackets. make the search feature here your friend. use the words 'tie down' and enjoy the results.
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Hi
Thanks but what i found was just where they discuss about the styles but
i have no clue who each style looks like. Ist there a picture where you can
see the bracket and for what car/year/exhaust it was? That would be best
Bye Jerry
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The style that attaches with 2 bolts are usually the short ones that are referred to as single exhaust tie downs. The other, longer, style is usually found on dual exhaust cars.
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One man one word! Thanks!
Now one question to the exhaust system.
Could all engine codes could be ordered with dual exhaust?
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One man one word! Thanks!
Now one question to the exhaust system.
Could all engine codes could be ordered with dual exhaust?
Dual exhaust was standard equipment from the factory on ALL K codes and only A codes if they were GT's. Dual exhaust was not available as a factory option on anything else.
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Dual exhaust was standard equipment from the factory on ALL K codes and only A codes if they were GT's. Dual exhaust was not available as a factory option on anything else.
This would mean that factory A code GT's can be proven by the reinforcing plates behind the rear seats.
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Just to keep any confusion down and so people reading can better understand the motivation for the questions , Jerry has a very nice 1965 R model replica that he is trying to tweak with most all the parts Ford and Shelby that would have been on the car back in 1965 . He is trying to make a very close copy and is the reason for the questions concerning what does a duel exhaust tie down look like and how it is attached etc. . Bob
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Hi Bob that is true but i just want to let you know that
I also own a 66 San Jose Notchback and my questions
here have nothing to do with my R. If I need specific information
about 65 K San Jose Fastbacks I will add this to my post.
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This would mean that factory A code GT's can be proven by the reinforcing plates behind the rear seats.
If the reinforcing plate you're referring to is the large section that looks like and additional floorpan piece welded in, the lack of it WOULDN'T exclude it as a dual exhaust car. This myth has been perpetuated greatly over the internet during the past year or so. Not all factory dual exhaust cars GT's or K codes, received this extra support. Here's a pic of my untouched, documented, Metuchen '66 GT fastback floorpan:
(http://inlinethumb45.webshots.com/31916/2757823070070710241S500x500Q85.jpg)
As you can see, there's no extra reinforcement.
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As you can see, there's no extra reinforcement.
And not something common.
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Think we can chock the lacking of the support to a plant particular practice for a short period of time or a mistake. Possibly a car that was started as a single exhaust car then changed - for some unknown reason - to a dual exhaust car during production. Just not a normal practice
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IIRC the majority, if not all, examples I have seen posted on various websites have been Dearborn and SJ cars. I'd take no exception to Metuchen doing something different. SJ seems to have been famous (or infamous if you prefer!), for this.
My point in posting was the blanket statement that has accompanied every reference post alludes to the fact that if the additional reinforcement isn't there, it's ain't real! Bottom line, it isn't a 100% accurate reference point to look at, uncommon or not!
BTW, a friend owns an 01/66 scheduled date Metuchen GT coupe. I don't recall ever seeing the reinforcement on his. I will check to confirm though and post the results. It is quit possibly a Metuchen thing.
p.s. If I didn't mention it, mine had a schedule date of 10/65.
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My point in posting was the blanket statement that has accompanied every reference post alludes to the fact that if the additional reinforcement isn't there, it's ain't real! Bottom line, it isn't a 100% accurate reference point to look at, uncommon or not!
And it is with reason that most of us accept the blanket statements as it was Ford's intention to put the reinforcements into cars with factory dual exhaust. As with almost everything, there are exceptions, but I would not accept the absence as a normal factory procedure.
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Started a Dearborn specific discussion thread
https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=25718.msg159168#msg159168 (https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=25718.msg159168#msg159168)