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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1970 Mustang => Topic started by: silverelvis69 on November 11, 2020, 12:43:17 AM
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Hi All,
I have a san jose 1970 mach1.
does anyone know if it was a 3 point seat belt or over the lap 2 point type?
Thanks in advance
Alex
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Unless the worker forgot to install the shoulder harness, it was 3 point.
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Can anyone post photos of setup please?
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Hi All,
I have a san jose 1970 mach1.
does anyone know if it was a 3 point seat belt or over the lap 2 point type?
The front seat belts used in 1970 for Hardtops and Sportsroof type Mustangs are the two belt system, a lap belt and a shoulder belt. They both attached at the center of the car to separate two belt latches for each seat. The shoulder belt attaches at the upper rear of the door frame with a bolt. When not in use, the strap has a hook and elastic strap retainer at the roof near the "A" pillar.
All this is shown in the 1970 Mustang Interior Assembly Manual, AM0032 pages 7 thru 11.
(Note: There is no 1969 Mustang Interior Manual, but the belts are installed relatively the same.)
Jim
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Can anyone post photos of setup please?
It's fairly uncomfortable as there is no give in the shoulder belt,
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From my 69 3 point. Forward buckle is for the lap. Brian
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those things will snap your spine
better off converting to the new-modern retractable 3 point style.
i did mine a few yrs ago
bolts right in
come in original colors at no charge
for the 2 points i'll lose at a show, my life is more important.
i keep the originals in the trunk if they should ask.... but so far no one said anything
https://www.seatbeltsplus.com/category/mustang-seat-belts.html
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those things will snap your spine
better off converting to the new-modern retractable 3 point style.
i did mine a few yrs ago
bolts right in
come in original colors at no charge
for the 2 points i'll lose at a show, my life is more important.
i keep the originals in the trunk if they should ask.... but so far no one said anything
https://www.seatbeltsplus.com/category/mustang-seat-belts.html
Uh, no. In an accident they are functionally equivalent. The modern ones merely let you move around more easily. But once the inertia of crash locks them, no difference.
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I suppose you can set it all up and if (http://)uncomfortable, unhatch the buckle as photo below and still use it as a lap belt?
Right? and have the shoulder belt hanging on hook.
Currently setup and origina is the retractor and over lap. Trying to setup the shoulder (and source the shoulder harness belt - which I am having difficulty) missing the 2 long belts in photo (and if anyone has a spare- pls contact me)
Someone above mentioned uncomfortable - so I guess this setup allows you to use not use the shoulder harness.
Best of both worlds. Make it factory look and use/not use shoulder harness by strapping up on hook.
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those things will snap your spine
better off converting to the new-modern retractable 3 point style.
i did mine a few yrs ago
bolts right in
come in original colors at no charge
for the 2 points i'll lose at a show, my life is more important.
i keep the originals in the trunk if they should ask.... but so far no one said anything
https://www.seatbeltsplus.com/category/mustang-seat-belts.html
I had to fight years ago about "Safety" in MCA concours DRIVEN class. The first 2 times out after I installed 2" spot mirrors on my 69 Mach 1, I got points counted off for the mirrors. I went to Allan Stewart (RIP) and spoke my case that I cannot hardly see through the small racing style mirrors and since I drive the Mach I, installed the spot mirrors. The rules were changed to allow for safety installments of driven Mustangs in the concours class.
So, I can't see where you should get points counted off for seat belt additions IF you show in a driven MCA class. At the beginning of Judging when you are approached by the Judges, introduce yourself and mention your seat belt concern. No points should be deducted.
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those things will snap your spine.
Really tempted to ask how that would be possible but that would be getting off thread even more. Never heard or seen anything close to that in over 30 years of extrication or teaching the subject. But believe your concern is your concern - it's your car
I had to fight years ago about "Safety" in MCA concours DRIVEN class. The first 2 times out after I installed 2" spot mirrors on my 69 Mach 1, ................
The "Safety" allotment can get carried away IMHO and over the 35 plus years rarely saw anyone asking for consideration on the show field more often discussed at judges meeting. But all those possibilities are better discussed in another thread.
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Really tempted to ask how that would be possible but that would be getting off thread even more. Never heard or seen anything close to that in over 30 years of extrication or teaching the subject. But believe your concern is your concern - it's your car
The "Safety" allotment can get carried away IMHO and over the 35 plus years rarely saw anyone asking for consideration on the show field more often discussed at judges meeting. But all those possibilities are better discussed in another thread.
Speegle, read my post again. I didn't say anything was considered on the show field. I plainly stated in black & white that I got deducted the points ::)
THEN.....I went to Allan Stewart at next shows JUDGES MEETING because REMEMBER, we don't see our judges sheets at the present show, so I wouldn't of known about the points counted off for the mirrors until I received my judging sheets in the mail. ::)
To recap Speegle, no rules were changed or any kind of "Consideration" as you called it, at the show. Make sense now?
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Any idea what the circle of beltr is used for? Did not realise this was part of the set?
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Any idea what the circle of beltr is used for? Did not realise this was part of the set?
The rear seats.
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Speegle, read my post again. I didn't say anything was considered on the show field. I plainly stated in black & white that I got deducted the points ::)
Did and no reason to really continue down this path IMHO since I believe that considerations of one form or another have and will likely be allowed for Concours driven as long as the class remains
.....I went to Allan Stewart at next shows JUDGES MEETING because REMEMBER, we don't see our judges sheets at the present show, so I wouldn't of known about the points counted off for the mirrors until I received my judging sheets in the mail. ::)
Top recap Speegle, no rules were changed or any kind of "Consideration" as you called it, at the show. Make sense now?
Not unusual for owners to at least believe a concern has been raised by the judging team or that a deduction is being discussed. Don't always have to ask or see the sheets.
From your earlier post where you wrote runes were changed. So a bit confused that the two sentences seem to be in conflict with each others but that's ok so we can get back to the focus of the thread. Not sure if anything else needs discussing but if so I invite you to PM me if so.
I had to fight years ago about "Safety" in MCA concours DRIVEN class. The first 2 times out after I installed 2" spot mirrors on my 69 Mach 1, I got points counted off for the mirrors. I went to Allan Stewart (RIP) and spoke my case that I cannot hardly see through the small racing style mirrors and since I drive the Mach I, installed the spot mirrors. The rules were changed to allow for safety installments of driven Mustangs in the concours class.
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Ok Gents
Can someone post a photo of the fomoco seatbelt tag and decription?
Much appreciated?
Alex
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Ok Gents
Can someone post a photo of the fomoco seatbelt tag and decription?
There are a few posted in the 70 unrestored picture threads also the Date code article in the Library shows some pictures of some labels and mentions the recall campaign and how those labels and buckles were marked to show compliance after the campaign. For the picture look under the "Late 70 H code Dearborn Mach I - Unrestored Picture Thread" title
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interesting - I have these??
Trying to work out instructions for restorer?
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interesting - I have these??
Trying to work out instructions for restorer?
He may not have labels made for your year and or supplier
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from my 69
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Looking at what we have in the article pgs 29-30, we have one suppliers label from Aug 68 and then we have the TSB note that the recall and labeling of the seat belts starting on Sept 9th 1969. We also have two different examples of labels from different suppliers for these two examples both using the larger printing - different from the 67-69 examples we typically see.
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Does anyone know if Robbins and Hamill made complete seat-belt sets for the individual production plants for if they made separate components. I have a Nov 69 Dearborn car and the seat belts have a mix of the two manufacturers but the car has a chequered history and I can't completely assume they'r correct.
Brad
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Does anyone know if Robbins and Hamill made complete seat-belt sets for the individual production plants for if they made separate components. I have a Nov 69 Dearborn car and the seat belts have a mix of the two manufacturers but the car has a chequered history and I can't completely assume they'r correct.
Brad
Would guess that the supplier provided and shipped matching pairs but see nothing on original cars to suggested that they were connected or packaged together. In the ones I've seen that were not removed during dealer prep there were individual bags over at least some years from so unidentified supplier(s)
Are both belt and bucket side in your example dated from about the same time period? Just looking for more clues to help or rule out the possibilities
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I have two complete sets of front belts & shoulder straps (L&R = six belts in total) that were made by Robbins and they all have the same codes: 1470 R5 05. I have two sets of rear belts (L&R = four belts in total) and they are made by Hamill and have the codes: 102 8-70 and 102 17-70. So I don't know if it is coincidence that all the fronts are Robbins and the rears are Hamills or if that is the way they originally came? Again, was it a case that Ford used what was available and mixes are possible?
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With that explanation I now understand the combination you have. Was thinking you might have one seat belt from one vendor and the buckle side from another.
Yes I would guess that this happened not often but on a somewhat regular basis as a load from one supplier was being loaded to the line after another vendors was running out for the installer. Believe from conversations with workers the front seat belts and the rears were installed by different workers at different stations along the line. Of course these mixed sets must have added to the work load for whom ever handled the recall related to the belts
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Thanks Jeff and I agree that if the mixed combination happened, it would have been an odd occurrence.
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Was going to post a similar question until I came about this in my search.. My car has Hamill belts in the front (although 1 has been cut) and Robbins in the rear. I am looking for a buckle side Hammill with a late 68 date code if anybody has an odd set sitting around.