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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1967 Shelby => Topic started by: Kyle Zammit on November 23, 2021, 06:27:53 AM
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Hi all,
I have an Autolite dual point distributor for my 67#0348 and I have some questions.
What is the correct assembly line rotor, dual points, condenser and distributor coil wire please?
They needs to be all Autolite or FoMoco please?
What is the correct assembly hold down distributer bracket and the distributor cap clamps clips,they needs to be dark phosphate color or light phosphate color please?
Thanks Kyle.
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Question and easy ones first
Hi all,
I have an Autolite dual point distributor for my 67#0348 and I have some questions.
What is the correct assembly line rotor, dual points, condenser and distributor coil wire please?
Are you looking for part numbers or description/pictures?
What is the correct assembly hold down distributor bracket and the distributor cap clamps clips,they needs to be dark phosphate color or light phosphate color please
Distributor cap hold downs can be seen here. You decide ;) Found by searching "distributor finish"
https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=13109.msg127671#msg127671 (https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=13109.msg127671#msg127671)
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Thanks for the information of the cap clamps clips.
They need to be dark grey phosphate.
Yes I am looking for the part numbers and pictures.
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Guess for our and for those reading your car was completed at San Jose Dec 28th 1966
Will most likely impact the answers and should be asked or included when posting as not everyone has a registry
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Guess for our and for those reading your car was completed at San Jose Dec 28th 1966
Will most likely impact the answers and should be asked or included when posting as not everyone has a registry
Yes exactly.
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It was completed 1/25/67 and shipped 1/30/67
Kyle.
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Thanks for the information of the cap clamps clips.
They need to be dark grey phosphate.
Yes I am looking for the part numbers and pictures.
The clips are dark but not black like the new repros. I think zinc phosphate will get you there if the part is properly prepped.
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The clips are dark but not black like the new repros. I think zinc phosphate will get you there if the part is properly prepped.
Thanks Jim for the information of the cap cilps.
Thanks Kyle.
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Correction part number 12127
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http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=10492.0
There is also a thread about early points that have a different insulator color, but I'm in no position to find it.
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Another close-up of the retaining clip that was posted before in another thread
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/15/6-100821213920-158332249.jpeg)
On the FoMoCo verses AUTOLITE issue as far as how each (rotor & points) would be marked on a 67 I think its going to be a challenge determining when a change may have taken place during the production year. Old stock was likely used up on some lines (at the plant that assembled distributors) and stations while others received the new stock earlier. Guess we could look at and post assembly dates from original distributors and what was in them but as mentioned, the guy in the next bench may have had the earlier or later versions he was supplied with on that same day.
At this point I think you have the option of having either or even a mix unless someone has some solid documention or findings I'm not aware of.
Understand that your likely asking because you want to have the assembly as correct as possible since other than you will know for sure once its all together
Rotors
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/16/6-241121140352-164451032.jpeg)
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http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=10492.0
There is also a thread about early points that have a different insulator color, but I'm in no position to find it.
Thanks Bill,
For let me know that all of the information.
Kyle.
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Thanks Jeff for all that information,
How can I make that colour of the cap clamps clips please?
I think that they are light yellow.
We will try to find more information about the dual points, condenser, rotor, cap, distributor cap coil wire and the colour of the hold down bracket for the distributor.
Kyle.
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We've discussed this in other threads but you may find that painting with a translucent paint in two sets get you the closest. The color on original dist in boxes I've got is a gold with a tint of green similar to finishes found on later PVS and Thermactor hose "t"s
I've used Eastwood dichromate rattle cans in gold and green for this purpose followed with protectant oil or a clear coat. Original finish was a plating and provided a very very thin layer of protection so don't cake on the paint or someone will take notice
As for the other parts "dual points, condenser, rotor, cap, distributor cap coil wire and the colour of the hold down bracket for the distributor."
Dist hold down "clamp" appears to have been phosphate and oil (P&O)
Coil wire is made from the same product/wire used to make the spark plug wire set with a 90 degree boot on one end and a straight boot on the other.
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/16/6-241121171258-164462346.jpeg)
Couple of pictures of both variations of caps from other threads
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/5/6-070216171741-51871383.jpeg)
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/5/6-070216171738-5185296.jpeg)
Part numbers for the items above can be looked up in the MPC - link posted in the Library section of the site if someone else does not post or you need it quicker.
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We've discussed this in other threads but you may find that painting with a translucent paint in two sets get you the closest. The color on original dist in boxes I've got is a gold with a tint of green similar to finishes found on later PVS and Thermactor hose "t"s
I've used Eastwood dichromate rattle cans in gold and green for this purpose followed with protectant oil or a clear coat. Original finish was a plating and provided a very very thin layer of protection so don't cake on the paint or someone will take notice
As for the other parts "dual points, condenser, rotor, cap, distributor cap coil wire and the colour of the hold down bracket for the distributor."
Dist hold down "clamp" appears to have been phosphate and oil (P&O)
Coil wire is made from the same product/wire used to make the spark plug wire set with a 90 degree boot on one end and a straight boot on the other.
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/16/6-241121171258-164462346.jpeg)
Couple of pictures of both variations of caps from other threads
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/5/6-070216171741-51871383.jpeg)
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/5/6-070216171738-5185296.jpeg)
Part numbers for the items above can be looked up in the MPC - link posted in the Library section of the site if someone else does not post or you need it quicker.
Thanks Jeff, for all of that information.
I will buy an Eastwood dichromate gold green can.
I would phosphate and oil the distributor hold down bracket , but can you tell me approximately if they were light grey or dark grey please?
I will check the part numbers in library.
Thanks Kyle.
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Hi all,
I need the Autolite part numbers of the correct assembly line rotor, points and condenser.
I need to know as well what is the correct Autolite distributor cap if it needs to be with large letters or small letters.
Who makes a correct marked Autolite dual point distributor wire please ?
Thanks Kyle.
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To start:
Rotor - B7A-12200-A
Points - FDS-12171-A
Condenser - 7RA-12300-C
Dist lead wire - 12216
Above numbers came from a 2/68 MPC
Sure Bob will either correct or confirm :)
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Thanks a lot Jeff.
Kyle.
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I did a part research on Ford base number 12216, the lead from the distributor to the coil, and it's the same one used on my 66 289 HP distributor, B8Q-12216-A, Ford locator code DW4. Is this accurate for use on a 67 GT500? It's available at NPD as a reproduction, but listed as a 289 HP part.
Jim
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Deleted my earlier comment about the dist lead in my earlier post. Will revisit in the morning - late now
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First I need to know if the Rotor, Points, Condenser, Cap and lead wire need's to be Autolite or Fomoco?
My distributor is Autolite.
My car was schedule for build 12/16/66 and realised 12/28/66.
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First I need to know if the Rotor, Points, Condenser, Cap and lead wire need's to be Autolite or Fomoco?
My distributor is Autolite.
My car was schedule for build 12/16/66 and realised 12/28/66.
Given when your dist was likely assembled (date not included above) you could have a combination of both or any combination IMHO. For example have AUTOLITE caps on very nice original cars built in Nov 66 so the dist assembly date would likely proceed that by a month or more.
As far as the lead it would be expected (for a car of it's production period) that the flat round eyelet style end was used at the coil.
Booted ends can be found on other applications and on big blocks late in the year based on examples
Others may have found differently or examples. Only providing what I've found and documented with pictures
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Given when your dist was likely assembled (date not included above) you could have a combination of both or any combination IMHO. For example have AUTOLITE caps on very nice original cars built in Nov 66 so the dist assembly date would likely proceed that by a month or more.
As far as the lead it would be expected (for a car of it's production period) that the flat round eyelet style end was used at the coil.
Booted ends can be found on other applications and on big blocks late in the year based on examples
Others may have found differently or examples. Only providing what I've found and documented with pictures
My distributor date code is 6K31.
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My distributor date code is 6K31.
Thanks that would make it a very early example and the reason it may have either IMHO internals
As for the cap it appears, based on what I could turn up, that if it did have an Autolite cap it would have been the thin letter version.
There is a reproduction of that cap available
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Thanks that would make it a very early example and the reason it may have either IMHO internals
As for the cap it appears, based on what I could turn up, that if it did have an Autolite cap it would have bee the thin letter version.
There is a reproduction of that cap available
Ok thanks a lot,
For the information of the cap.
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Who makes the best thin letters Autolite cap please?
Thanks Kyle.
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Who makes the best thin letters Autolite cap please?
Thanks Kyle.
Believe there is only one maker of that reproduction so you don't really have a choice other than who your going to purchase one from
From an advertiser - Made by Daniel Carpenter: C7AZ-12106
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Ok thanks a lot Jeff.
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What is the assembly line wire for the distributor please?
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Believe there is only one maker of that reproduction so you don't really have a choice other than who your going to purchase one from
From an advertiser - Made by Daniel Carpenter: C7AZ-12106
This is an original one from a 1967 - is it thick or thin?
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For comparison so each of us could evaluate. My earlier comments related to thin was from another source don't know from where and how they drew their conclusion.
Upper left -you can barely make out the printing. Not easy to get a picture without taking things apart. Late 67 San Jose car
Royce yours is in the upper right
Bottom two are current reproductions. One from each of the two major makers
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/16/6-151221175620-165401370.jpeg)
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Thanks Jeff but I still don't know except that I know from your pictures the reproductions are way off from the original in terms of the material appearance. Those look like styrene plastic while the original seems to be Bakelite.
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Thanks Jeff but I still don't know except that I know from your pictures the reproductions are way off from the original in terms of the material appearance. Those look like styrene plastic while the original seems to be Bakelite.
Don't disagree. Unfortunately like many reproductions they appear to fall short. Sometimes it's due to the lack of the original material, cost factors or what the maker expects to be a price point the majority of buyers will accept
Leaves some of us to seek out originals and original issue NOS parts
Such a common subject
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Thanks that would make it a very early example and the reason it may have either IMHO internals
As for the cap it appears, based on what I could turn up, that if it did have an Autolite cap it would have been the thin letter version.
There is a reproduction of that cap available
Jeff,
So it need's to be (Fomoco points) (Fomoco rotor) (Fomoco condenser) (Fomoco dist wire) and Autolite cap?
Is this would be correct assembly line please?
Thanks.
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I am seeing that there are different shape dist wire grommets.
Witch one is the assembly line one please?
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So it need's to be (Fomoco points) (Fomoco rotor) (Fomoco condenser) (Fomoco dist wire) and Autolite cap?
Is this would be correct assembly line please?
As mentioned in reply #12 I believe at this point it could be either FoMoCo or Autolite or a mix given when your dist was assembled
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As mentioned in reply #12 I believe at this point it could be either FoMoCo or Autolite or a mix given when your dist was assembled
Ok thanks a lot Jeff.
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My last two questions,The distributor cam what degree is common for an early 67 Shelby GT500 please?
There are different degree cams.
Last question the dist wire are a lot of types.
Which one is the correct assembly line for my car please?
Thanks Kyle.