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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1969 Mustang => Topic started by: svo2scj on February 21, 2022, 07:27:19 PM
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Hi Guys (if you have been following on 428cj) ...I've started to make right what I didn't wrong in restoring my car 15 years ago!!!
Links are dead and photos are gone (for most/not mine and I didn't pay photobucket)! REVIVING this topic https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=4689.msg26391#msg26391
I'm almost positive the end result of Jeff's photos back then was that SJ cars man not have gotten the "clips" Jack now sells for the front valance. When I did my car I didn't use them. Have we learned anything new in 12 years??
Mark
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I will repeat what I have reported before. My 3/69 unrestored SJ car had the zip ties and not the plastic retainers/clips.
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Perfect ! I knew I had seen this and WHY doing my 4/22 car didn't use them!
It's funny I told Gary "I was very honest showing I didn't have a front valance when I got my car" (As well as stating it had a 351C)! This is why there is a ZZ service valance and the number is showing.
Glad you saw this and GLAD i didn't ask on FB ! LOL
Mark
P.S. It is also why I didn't restamp the block ...in my case I SAID I didn't have it. (Others are restamping POORLY and claiing they did!)
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Per the "1969 Mustang Electrical Manual" (AM0028 pg 3) the Ford part number is 351453-S, strap, 2 required. However, the manual has the incorrect Ford part Number. It should be 351053-S. It is carried by AMK.
It is a legitimate use, just poorly documented.
Get a set of the Assembly Manuals for your car. You can thank me later.
Manuals are your friends.
Jim
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Adjusted the title and moved the thread over to the General 69 Section since that is where the Dearborn discussion thread on the subject is also
Will look through my pictures again to see if I have anything new to offer. right now (bit off thread) not many have the zip ties so far. Will report back
Per the "1969 Mustang Electrical Manual" (AM0028 pg 3) the Ford part number is 351453-S, strap, 2 required. However, the manual has the incorrect Ford part Number. It should be 351053-S. It is carried by AMK.
Jim. What date is on that revision page and does it show the zip tie?
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Doesn't the rubber sleeve come into play with the wiring and zip tie?
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Doesn't the rubber sleeve come into play with the wiring and zip tie?
In what way?
If your thinking of it keeping the rubber sleeve in place its too far towards the frame for that. In other years there is a small weld bead that holds the sleeve up towards the outer end. Don't recall at the moment if 69 has that added detail
Zip tie appears (and when used) to hold the marker light up out of the way
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Jim. What date is on that revision page and does it show the zip tie?
The page is dated 10-16-68 and the Ty-Rap is item 27 (to the right of center in the middle, the page is not a good copy). No installation instructions are given (as in loose, snug, use tool, etc).
Jim
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My Nov. '68 built San Jose Mach 1 I bought unrestored in May '81 came with the wire clips
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Just thought we should clarify and identify the wire retainer I believe we are discussing in this thread
Dearborn not a San Jose unrestored car
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/16/6-220222230446-169941587.jpeg)
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Only found a couple of cars where I still had the fenders installed on the car and pictures of that area. Not wire retainer/clip at marker
9R131xxx Approx first part of Nov 68
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/16/6-220222231734-16999917.jpeg)
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/17/6-220222231734-17000564.jpeg)
9R175xxx Approx first part of May 69
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/17/6-220222231737-17001760.jpeg)
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/17/6-220222231737-1700291.jpeg)
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Pictures of my previously unrestored San Jose Jan 69 build
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Sure seems like a pattern
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Just thought we should clarify and identify the wire retainer I believe we are discussing in this thread
Yes those are the clips Jeff.
9R02M123247 was my car that had them but no zip ties so perhaps they were substituted as a quick and easy alternative to the clips.
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Yes those are the clips Jeff.
9R02M123247 was my car that had them but no zip ties so perhaps they were substituted as a quick and easy alternative to the clips.
Since we have at least one other plant using the clips and the zip ties and they are in different sections of the wire I don' think that one replaced the other. Since you have an earlier car than the rest guess we need to find some additional earlier ones to see if this is a running change - used them at the beginning of production then, for some reason, they weren't
Hunt goes on
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If, for any reason, that harness needed to be removed, the Ty-Rap would be cut and odds are - not replaced. I'm thinking of possible reasons: fended removal; lower valence removal; bumper removal; light bulb replacement (What the heck is that thing doing there?). It's been 50 years.
I'm quite sure that everybody has a couple of spare Ty-Raps in their tool box. I sure do. /sarc
Jim
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If, for any reason, that harness needed to be removed, the Ty-Rap would be cut and odds are - not replaced. I'm thinking of possible reasons: fended removal; lower valence removal; bumper removal; light bulb replacement (What the heck is that thing doing there?). It's been 50 years.
I'm quite sure that everybody has a couple of spare Ty-Raps in their tool box. I sure do. /sarc
Jim
No reason to remove to replace the bulb since the zip tie is not between the bulb location and the first retainer. The marker is not attached to the fender its in the valance zip tie can be left in place and many times it is when the fender is removed. Just unplug the bulb, and then remove the wire from the round plastic retainer on the back side of the headlight bucket area or just detach the wire there and leave the valance in place. Just saying :)
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I point out my comment -
(What the heck is that thing doing there?)
Ty-Raps were relatively new in 1970, I think they originated in the 1960s. (We used Thomas And Betts Ty-Raps for cable installation on USAF ground facilities in the late 60s, early 70s. I got a couple of Ty-Rap installation tools somewhere in a tool box.)
It's quite possible that a car owner would simply cut them off. Back then, car owners were not concerned with originality or Concourse grade car.
Jim
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Original ty-raps are panduit brand. They're actually reusable and come apart easily. Replacements are available thru Dead nuts restoration parts if you need any. They're used in a few other locations also.
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Original ty-raps are panduit brand. ..................
I've not confirmed that San Jose used the same supplier. Do you have an example from that plant and year?
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Jeff
I do think SJ used the same Panduits. But my unrestored car is gone and I can't go take a look. You would think they would be the same as the ones used in the trunk? Maybe you can tell from this picture.
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Yes, my trunk ty- rap and the side marker were the same.
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I've not confirmed that San Jose used the same supplier. Do you have an example from that plant and year?
Yes, I have the 3 from my original San Jose car.
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Jeff
I do think SJ used the same Panduits. But my unrestored car is gone and I can't go take a look. You would think they would be the same as the ones used in the trunk? Maybe you can tell from this picture.
Went through and found about three dozen pictures with the trunk wire zip tie in them. Haven't gone through them closely yet.
The one in the red car picture you posted has the same features of the Panduits I have on hand. Since you posted this picture to the thread I assume that its a San Jose example. Interesting but not unfounded is the gray luggage protector but that's another and different subject
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Panduit trunk picture
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The one in the red car picture you posted has the same features of the Panduits I have on hand. Since you posted this picture to the thread I assume that its a San Jose example. Interesting but not unfounded is the gray luggage protector but that's another and different subject
Yes, same unrestored SJ car that the turn signal wire picture is from.
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Jim did u red sj car use all 3 wire holders as in u photo it doesn't show the big J strap by side markers light. I usually see 2 out of the 3 different wire holders in different combinations of use. 69 Dearborn use the big J strap and pandit strap . I have seen pandit strap used under dash wires also and the lh grey trunk wheelhouse protector used in late 68 to 70 NJ and DB cars.
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Ed
No, there was only the Panduit and no retainer strap under the marker light stud on either side.