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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1967 Shelby => Topic started by: Texascobra on October 13, 2022, 09:49:59 PM
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What would be the correct door hinges for a 23 Jan 67 car??. From what I gather here, stamped uppers and cast lowers seems to be the consensus.
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Long debated subject imho. There may be a common changeover date but it would appear that the date is more along the line of "use whatever is in today's bin".
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Usually a good idea to do some initial searching and reading, although we all forget:
https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=22240.msg139770#msg139770
https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=19116.msg120564#msg120564
https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=20911.msg131525#msg131525
https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=18300.msg115838#msg115838
https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=7331.msg41575#msg41575
https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=3324.msg104460#msg104460
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I have read all those posts and still seems clear as mud, thus my question.
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If I was restoring it the door hinges would be stamped upper and cast lower. There are early '68 cars built that way, so they would be right on the entire model year for 1967.
Obviously the cast lowers are slightly harder to find since they have not been reproduced but I see that as a positive.
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My Mar 2 Shelby had cast top and bottom.
It still had the factory thin line of squished out sealant on both top hinges -- both sides.
If it were me I'd find other unrestored cars in your assy date range.
Edit because phone posting sucks.
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If I was restoring it the door hinges would be stamped upper and cast lower. There are early '68 cars built that way, so they would be right on the entire model year for 1967.
Do you mean door hinges would be stamped upper and cast lower after the first of the year? I have not seen any stamped uppers before then.
Would not suggest that it was,what ever it was in the bin, since that is part of our challenge to figure out what was in the "bin" at what period and the supplier was not changing back and fourth between multiple styles for weeks or months
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As for a point of reference my 67 GT350 built Feb 1st has stamped uppers and cast lowers.
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My December 20, 1966 SJ car has cast for all four
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Usually a good idea to do some initial searching and reading, although we all forget:
https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=22240.msg139770#msg139770
https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=19116.msg120564#msg120564
https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=20911.msg131525#msg131525
https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=18300.msg115838#msg115838
https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=7331.msg41575#msg41575
https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=3324.msg104460#msg104460
I need to figure out how to consolidate a number of them. Including this one at some point ::)
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What would be the correct door hinges for a 23 Jan 67 car??. From what I gather here, stamped uppers and cast lowers seems to be the consensus.
Others forgot to ask what plant was the car built at? From there we can see what others built around or on the same date at the same plant have or had
Will wait until we get the assembly plant to respond so that you don't get a change over period from a different (from your car's) information. Evidence from other plants and cars is fairly unuseful (if that is a word) IMHO
Might consider adding your cars information to your signature so you don't get asked or have to include this in every written posting of a question.
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Sorry, San Jose. Its a GT500 #752.
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Sorry, San Jose. Its a GT500 #752.
Thanks helps allot
Wouldn't you know that it would turn out that Jan 1967 appears to be the change over period for the earlier cast to later stamped upper hinge. Looking at the cars I have pictures of where the cars are unrestored and the paint on the upper hinge matches the body color I found the following
Ten examples of the of the stamped upper hinge from and following Jan 21st completion date through the end of that month with no examples of cast upper hinges during this time period. So if you don't have anything that you believe are original or question them I would suggest you go with the later version. There are likely more from this production period since I've not updated the survey of this details for over a year and I'm adding cars daily.
Hope this helps
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Wouldn't you know that it would turn out that Jan 1967 appears to be the change over period for the earlier cast to later stamped upper hinge.
Off subject slightly but adds to the muddy waters on hinges:
The STAMPED version looks to be used or at very least, had been used at times prior to the January date...I doubt that I have the ONLY example of this.
I believe one or more of the aforementioned threads should cover what I found on my example (11/02/66 actual build date).
My example had BOTH uppers stamped type and it was evidenced to me with the factory sealant on the upper hinge mounting (still bonded to the LH door post at time of restoration). Further evidenced, though I had repainted the car, including the hinge area...but yes, the factory paint was still on even the sealant of both my LH hinges when I stripped the hinges during restoration. Also reported in another thread, my RH door AND their door hinges were both changed BY ME back in 1978 because I bought the car wrecked and I specifically remember noticing the cast style hinges (both upper & lower) on the replacement door at the time. At the 1978 time of repairing the wrecked car, I figured the RH stamped one might be bent, I felt it wise to use both hinges that came with the RH door (and fender). Dates stamped in the fender and door make them both dated mid-December. I assume the donor car was a mid to late December1966 SJ example (going by the under-side painting details of the fender. Note: Donor parts car was an original paint car.
Now, in 1978, I cared ONLY about getting the car drivable...what 16-year old wouldn't so details like "correct hinges" would have been unimportant to me back then. Nontheless, I have no doubts in my memory about the upper hinge diffences. REMINDER: I also have on hand a full set of hinges from another pair of December San Jose S-coded Coupe doors that BOTH had the stamped uppers and CAST lowers. Clearly there are two examples like I describe and the spare doors ALSO are in ORIGINAL PAINT.
It would have been very easy, pretty much cost-free even, to have simply installed all Cast Hinges during my restoration and have complied to what is commonly known (as well as what MCA rules suggest)...
...I have TWO original paint examples in this Pre-January 1967 detail and I am 100% sure, my doors on hand were originally equipped with the stamped uppers. This is why I chose to return my RH door to the stamped upper (and lower cast).
Now, off my soapbox and back to the O.P.'s concerns.
On last edit: facts straightened out on my examples on hand after reviewing previous threads and my own pictutes.
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............... I assume the donor car was a mid to late December1966 SJ example (going by the under-side painting details of the fender. Note: Donor parts car was an original paint car............................
I'm aware of no difference nor have seen any between the primer color nor the sound deadener application between the three plants that could be used to determined what plant the a car was built and the variations of original cars documented from each. So would not use that as a solid determining factor
Just saying ;)
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Thanks all, very helpful!!
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I'm aware of no difference nor have seen any between the primer color nor the sound deadener application between the three plants that could be used to determined what plant the a car was built and the variations of original cars documented from each. So would not use that as a solid determining factor
Just saying ;)
Being aware that this is off topic, I will say that "lacking sound deadener of any amount" (on the bottoms of the flat area of the fenders) is usually a San Jose trait. It seems you have stated so in other threads. The somewhat salmon colored primer I found seemed consistent from side to side (with each cars date stamping of the metal being roughly 6-weeks apart).
Back to the upper hinge detail. The 2nd set of spare doors I have with the stamped upper hinge, is indeed a San Jose mid-December projected build date. Oddly enough, the other door that I have used since 1978 on my car, has close to the same dates on it and it had both upper and lower cast hinges. I can get dates easily enough off of the extra doors but I am not pulling the door panel to check the one in use (the replacement from 1978) and I don't remember taking picture evidence during the restoration. Mid to Later December stamp dates on the doors may be of assistance to the O.P. in determining whether or not to use both cast hinges or a mixture IMHO.
On edit, adding pictures and it looks like 17M date on the Data tag for the spare doors
12 5 D 3 found on the "1978 replacement fender" while on original LH fender was 10 18 3B is stamped, which is roughly 1/2 a month before my actual build date.
These findings combined with other Marti Reports and other Late December cars might help the O.P.
It's not easy with back and forth usages of both types of upper hinges.
FWIW. I found two variations of the Cast Lower hinges too! ...like two different suppliers. This was discussed in another thread too but it may add to Jeff's comment about my 1978 donor car NOT necessarily being a San Jose car...the plot thickens!
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Our 67 GTA convertible was San Jose built 11-04-66 has both upper and lower cast hinges.
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Thanks helps allot
Wouldn't you know that it would turn out that Jan 1967 appears to be the change over period for the earlier cast to later stamped upper hinge. Looking at the cars I have pictures of where the cars are unrestored and the paint on the upper hinge matches the body color I found the following
Since I have two cars in the early March time period (the Shelby can be verified to be original) that have top cast hinges is Jan 67 a good date?
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Since I have two cars in the early March time period (the Shelby can be verified to be original) that have top cast hinges is Jan 67 a good date?
A "good" date?
Standard practice by us has been not to base change over dates or other details on a single source. If we had three (target/standard has three min) independently then IMHO we have something "good"
Guess I should update my spread sheet for this detail and post what I have as I might have one more to add to the findings. Do you have the exact completion dates for both? You can PM or share them here if you would like. I might already have one of those in my records