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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1964 1/2 - 1965 => Topic started by: ivygreen on September 15, 2023, 05:42:11 AM
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Quick question as I get ready to paint the undercarriage of
My 1965. Was the bare chassis metal under all of the body dollies galvanized or only the floor support - or some other combination of galvanized and plain steel?
Thank you!
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Quick question as I get ready to paint the undercarriage of
My 1965. Was the bare chassis metal under all of the body dollies galvanized or only the floor support - or some other combination of galvanized and plain steel?
Thank you!
Galvanized. Do not make the galvanized look super distinct . A subtle look is a more typical authentic appearance IMO.
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Thank you, Bob. I appreciate the help.
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This is what an unrestored dolly mark would look like. Some are circular and some not so much depending on the contact with the mounting points.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53188563197_cf1c2452d3_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2p36hM4)2023-09-15_9-13-29 (https://flic.kr/p/2p36hM4) by Marcus Anghel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/154714213@N02/), on Flickr
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it's nice to see someone paying attention to that minute detail. i have seen very few recreated properly.
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Not sure of where your car was assembled but an additional detail is that the four visible "dolly marks" found on the interior and trunk areas (where the retainers passed through and were tightened to the dolly were bare untreated steel.
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This is from the trunk area like Jeff mentions....
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53192475358_f533c4f154_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2p3rkJ7)20230916_152951 (https://flic.kr/p/2p3rkJ7) by Marcus Anghel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/154714213@N02/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53191912899_2fc3b0f30b_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2p3oswx)20230916_152910 (https://flic.kr/p/2p3oswx) by Marcus Anghel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/154714213@N02/), on Flickr
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This is what an unrestored dolly mark would look like. Some are circular and some not so much depending on the contact with the mounting points.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53188563197_cf1c2452d3_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2p36hM4)2023-09-15_9-13-29 (https://flic.kr/p/2p36hM4) by Marcus Anghel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/154714213@N02/), on Flickr
One thing to mention for those viewing this thread and pictures, the picture above with the double dolly marks is due to the fact that after 67 at some plants Cougars were also built and painted on the same line as the Mustang so the dolly's were modified for two rear mounting points (one for the shorter Mustang and one for the longer Cougar) so you will see two round shadows rather than one which would be correct for 65 Mustangs the focus of this section and thread. What the picture does is show nicely the galvanized surface of the exposed frame rail
Some examples from 65 examples showing the single shadow.
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/19/6-160923191300-194261237.jpeg)
And just so there is not confusion these examples appear to be similar to the later double dolly marks but if you compare them these additional "circles" or "semi-circle" are in front of the dolly hole and produced by installing and removing the dual exhaust rear tie down originally installed on these two cars that use the nut insert in the rear frame section. Yellow arrow identifies the contact damage from the tie downs. On later cars (some plants) the "extra" dolly mark is just barely forward of the rear shackle location.
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/19/6-160923191257-194242315.jpeg)
To round out the collection of pictures in this post here is a shot of a 65 trunk dolly mark while I'm posting
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/19/6-160923191258-19425659.jpeg)
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Article that explains the dolly shadows is available in the Library for your reading also. It includes some "stands" for replicating the look that I and others have used successfully
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/19/6-180923192142-194332004.jpeg)
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To replicate the spangle appearance of galvanized surfaces, I cut the eraser end of a new pencil into a small irregular triangle. Spray silver paint over the frame rail area and then use a couple different shades of the same silver, using the eraser end to apply at different angles.
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To replicate the spangle appearance of galvanized surfaces, I cut the eraser end of a new pencil into a small irregular triangle. Spray silver paint over the frame rail area and then use a couple different shades of the same silver, using the eraser end to apply at different angles.
You can also get a convincing look by using hammertone silver paint in the spray can. Available at most larger hardware and big box stores.
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Sine we're listing options to hopefully get to an acceptable original look :) I use the heavy clear freezer bag method or similar plastic over a dry silver base coat and a fresh wet coat of a darker silver pr light gray. On individual parts plated with galvanizing originally I zinc plate them first then add two layers of different silvers and grays
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Using the article on this topic, this is what I came up with. Pretty happy with the results.
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Using the article on this topic, this is what I came up with. Pretty happy with the results.
Looks good. Can make out a bit of the "horse shoe shadow" from the body color and pinchweld painting
For others, try and center the dolly holes with the wider washer or base circle. There was not much slop between and pin or retainer and the hole in the frame rails. Likely this is the cause of the slightly bent edge on one are of the punched circle when the workers move the few panels that made up the unibody at that point to try and center them on the pins to begin with