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Restoring - General discussions that span across many different groups of years and models => Parts => Topic started by: shelbyboss302 on May 08, 2012, 01:20:29 AM
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Would like information on a the Autolite FA-50 Air Filter. What are the differences between assembly line and service replacements? What are the actual applications. Some say that these came with a star and some came without. What are the sources to even find one and approximate cost to purchase one. Were there different part numbers embossed on them? Can't seem to find any good information on Autolite Air filters and what actually came on our mustangs from the factory. Any links or info would be appreciated.
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The fa 50 started in 68 & was used into the 70s. & used a c8af #. the first assembly line ones had star in top with square wire mesh then to diamond wire then to round hole no star then round hole motorcraft in service boxes.
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my '68 still has the FA-50 filter. The only person that I know who has them is Bob Perkins.
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Would like information on a the Autolite FA-50 Air Filter. What are the differences between assembly line and service replacements? What are the actual applications. Some say that these came with a star and some came without. What are the sources to even find one and approximate cost to purchase one. Were there different part numbers embossed on them? Can't seem to find any good information on Autolite Air filters and what actually came on our mustangs from the factory. Any links or info would be appreciated.
The round hole Motorcraft ones typically sell on ebay for 175.-250.00 . The Autolite round hole are about double that ,diamond wire ones are about double that if you can find one and the square wire mesh one about double that if you can find one.Special Ed most likely has one if it isn't already spoken for.Others may have a different opinion.
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I saw a guy who has 3 NOS square mesh ones. I think he was a little bummed when I told him his cars took 41s
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Tim you must have been to the rocket scientist place. Do you have any proof krs used the fa=41s as i have seen & have photos of assembly line kr air cleaners with the square hole wire mesh assembly line only fa-50s. I know somebody claims that is why the engineering # changed but it makes more sense to use taller fa-50 filter since there is no hood clearance issue & taller filter will allow more air flow since the rubber seal is glued inside the a/c base & blocks air flow. Somewhere years ago i found an autolite filter chart that called out the fa-50 as the correct replacement for the kr shelby but dont know where it is anymore.
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Yes. I have pulled a bunch of what seem to be original 41 s out of KRs. I would say from about mid May on the 41 was used. If you look at the build sheet and its S8MS A air cleaner its a 50, S8MS C its a 41
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Tim you must have been to the rocket scientist place. Do you have any proof krs used the fa=41s as i have seen & have photos of assembly line kr air cleaners with the square hole wire mesh assembly line only fa-50s. I know somebody claims that is why the engineering # changed but it makes more sense to use taller fa-50 filter since there is no hood clearance issue & taller filter will allow more air flow since the rubber seal is glued inside the a/c base & blocks air flow. Somewhere years ago i found an autolite filter chart that called out the fa-50 as the correct replacement for the kr shelby but dont know where it is anymore.
hmmmm awefully convenient. And we are supposed to believe you? ??? :D
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thats just the way it is bob!!!!! Its been 20 years or so or more since i found doc on krs using fa-50s & have seen assembly line style in kr a/c bases & have sold them to kr & 69 gt350s & boss 351s & 71 429 guys. They are harder to find autolite than the fa-41s. Tim can you send me photo of the 68 kr fa-41s you took out of krs. The only way you can find an assembly line fa-41 is a nos complete air cleaner assembly or out of the plant (lunch pail style).
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thats just the way it is bob!!!!! Its been 20 years or so or more since i found doc on krs using fa-50s & have seen assembly line style in kr a/c bases & have sold them to kr & 69 gt350s & boss 351s & 71 429 guys. They are harder to find autolite than the fa-41s. Tim can you send me photo of the 68 kr fa-41s you took out of krs. The only way you can find an assembly line fa-41 is a nos complete air cleaner assembly or out of the plant (lunch pail style).
I should have known you would invoke the Special Ed code ;D ;D
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I should have known you would invoke the Special Ed code ;D ;D
That's Edisium #2 or #3? I forget
Back to the thread
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Tim can you send me photo of the 68 kr fa-41s you took out of krs. The only way you can find an assembly line fa-41 is a nos complete air cleaner assembly or out of the plant (lunch pail style).
I dont know that I have pics. Any that I had were pretty crusty. The last one I remember was Roger Staibs car that I worked on about 4 years ago. He bought the car with 1000 miles on it in 69 and saved almost every part that came with it. Dont remember car # but was a late May build
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The round hole Motorcraft ones typically sell on ebay for 175.-250.00 . The Autolite round hole are about double that ,diamond wire ones are about double that if you can find one and the square wire mesh one about double that if you can find one.Special Ed most likely has one if it isn't already spoken for.Others may have a different opinion.
What is the timeline (years of manufacture) of the various mesh designs (between the round, diamond, or square) Autolite FA-50 filters.
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Autolite shepards cross or the loop & star * was first then gt-40 car in motion (racing). The square then diamond wire mesh was replaced by round hole version & that was used into motorcraft era. It was more of a assembly line verses service replacement thing. I will bet nobody has ever found a nos fa-50 in a autolite star box even thou the first version had the star moulded into it. The service fa-50 had c8af # & by 68 they were phasing out the autolite star box & going to the gt-40 logo after winning lemans.
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Autolite shepards cross or the loop & star * was first then gt-40 car in motion (racing). The square then diamond wire mesh was replaced by round hole version & that was used into motorcraft era. It was more of a assembly line verses service replacement thing. I will bet nobody has ever found a nos fa-50 in a autolite star box even thou the first version had the star moulded into it. The service fa-50 had c8af # & by 68 they were phasing out the autolite star box & going to the gt-40 logo after winning lemans.
Yes, the sticker on my Air Cleaner housing shows a PN of C8AF-9600-C which should be for the air cleaner. Then the FA-50 for the element. I will check the element tonight when I get home to see what the part number is on the element in addition to the FA-50 number.
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Yes, the sticker on my Air Cleaner housing shows a PN of C8AF-9600-C which should be for the air cleaner. Then the FA-50 for the element. I will check the element tonight when I get home to see what the part number is on the element in addition to the FA-50 number.
Something to consider is if the service information sticker is genuine or not. It is typical for a car that has been restored under the hood to have a replacement sticker . My point is that unless you know the sticker has been untouched and that the sticker and aircleaner or original to the car the information on the sticker can not used as definitive proof on what what needs to be used on the car especially if a FA-50 on a later build or a FA-41 on a early build car example . The build sheet would be the definitive proof what aircleaner assembly/filter would be appropriate for a particular build especially if a out of the ordinary application or if in the gray area of transition from one style to another. Just some more information and opinion for the discussion.
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Dudley you have the replacement type filter & it looks new. I have some used ones if you have a low mile survivor car, The filters were supposed to be changed 10.000 miles i think the book said.
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Something to consider is if the service information sticker is genuine or not. It is typical for a car that has been restored under the hood to have a replacement sticker . My point is that unless you know the sticker has been untouched and that the sticker and aircleaner or original to the car the information on the sticker can not used as definitive proof on what what needs to be used on the car especially if a FA-50 on a later build or a FA-41 on a early build car example . The build sheet would be the definitive proof what aircleaner assembly/filter would be appropriate for a particular build especially if a out of the ordinary application or if in the gray area of transition from one style to another. Just some more information and opinion for the discussion.
+1 and on top of that sometimes what the build sheet had was not even what ended up on the car to add to the confusion but in general they are pretty accurate
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Here is a assemblyline example.
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+1 on that turtleman (wonder where you got that filter ? bet it wasnt in a box).