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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1970 Mustang => Topic started by: jatkinson on January 14, 2013, 07:29:44 PM
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I have to paint the rocker panel mouldings on my 70 Mach 1. I have been told that F6AZ-19K207-AA which is changed up to PM-19K207-AA is the correct colour from Ford in a spray can? The grill and honey comb panel at the back are a dark gray almost black. I've seen both? What colour is everything supposed to be? I've seen pictures of an untouched car and it looks like everything is the same colour. HELP!
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Anybody?
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Hi:
I think this thread from the 428CJ forum should provide you with the help you require.
http://www.428cobrajet.org/forum/index.php/topic,18332.0.html
I've not seen the honeycomb panel included in the list of parts that are painted the color of the rocker panels. The parts I have seen included, all of which are painted a sort of medium gray color, are:
Rocker panels
Grille
lower grille molding
headlamp surrounds
sport lamp surrounds
There is also a small section on the stainless molding that mounts around the headlamps which requires this paint as well I believe, since it contacts the lower grille molding.
Hope this helps...
Neil
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grill and honeycomb panel is plastic not painted, someone here knows exact paint code for other parts ditzler/ppg #s
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I'm not sure but anything I can find it looks like the grill is painted the same colour as the rocker? I don't know about the honeycomb panel?
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Argent is on the moulding, have u tried the search function. I know this has been talked about, I doubt the grill is painted. Paint doesn't really go well with plastic.
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There is a post here about it http://www.1969stang.com/mustang/forum/showthread.php?t=11911
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I would search this forum or vintage Mustang forums for the correct answers, but I still don't think the plastic pieces are painted, if haves the original plastic pieces from my 70 and they are NOT painted.
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Here is another post. http://mustangsandmore.com/pages/Boss_and_Mach_Info.html I have my grill and headlight surround's pulled off the car and I agree mine have the stamping number on them and appear to have not been painted and they are black just like yours are. The guy that I bought the car off of in 95 lead me to believe he painted everything black because he liked it better than gray. He did tell me he replaced the grill and surrounds with NOS parts and I didn't know if they came black when ordered through parts back then and had to be repainted? But that being said it was along time ago and I might not be recalling it right. I've had a couple of emails from guys with untouched cars and theres are gray. But mine are black and yours are black? All the research I have done points to them being gray, infact I can't find anything in print that says they are supposed to be black? The post I started on Vintage also leads me to think they are gray? I'm just looking for some help on finding out for sure. Thanks
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Not sure why no one else has chimed in, I know the original grill trim piece has a gray/silver paint towards the inside, probably the light argent, I have NOS sport lamp grill, if I were to paint , it would look like dogshit. Same goes for the honeycomb panel. I read through that link, the painting of the black is referring to black painted on body to hide car color in gaps that are not covered by honeycomb panel, rocker mouldings and headlight surrounds. If u didn't paint these areas the body color would shine like the sun and look bad, I have original paint on my car. The area under the honeycomb looks like it was taped and painted neatly, the areas under rocker mouldings looks brushed on. I have seen guys on the 428cobrajet forum brushed in the headlight buckets. If u do paint your grill, post some pics. If its a show car, u should really get Jeff or ed meters or some other real pro to lead u/us on the correct path my Mustang brotha.
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I'm with you. I haven't painted anything. If I'm understanding you correctly you have an untouched car? Mine is not. Although everything that was done was to it was 25 years ago, you are still one up on me. So although as of yesterday I thought I was painting, I'm not. I'll leave it as is other than the rockers unless I find out different..Thanks for your help
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use the search function here and vintage mustang, do a lot of reading and you will find paint codes/advice from these discussions here. This subject has been covered many times. Thats what i have done, probably why no ones chiming in. These forums are great for info, thats how i learn. Mustang monthly is a great source and wont lead u astray. there are pics of the blackout behind the panels which look like the ones on mine. Good luck.
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The honey comb panel is not be be painted.
As fair as I can tell the grill is to be painted on Mach1's. You would want to use a plastic adhesion promotor.
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I wanted to dredge this up again, so is the grill painted light argent on a 70 mach 1, dearborn 10-20-69. my original honeycomb panel was not painted, my original grill was missing, have an NOS no paint. I think you are probably right craig429.
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After alot of searching, and as far as I can find out the headlight surrounds were black, as are the replacement ones and were painted at the factory. The grill and sport lamp surrounds were gray. When the car left the factory the grill and both surrounds were gray. The same gray as the rocker mouldings. I got the paint from NPD. Finished doing the grill, headlight surrounds, sport lamp surrounds. Came out great. I'm going to start on the rockers next.
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After alot of searching, and as far as I can find out the headlight surrounds were black,..............
Not sure where you "searched" but don't believe your conclusion is correct
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We have been a Ford dealer since 1967. My father is friends with the man that was our parts and service rep from 67-75. He suggested I call him. So I did. I printed what he told me. As I said "as far as I can find out"
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We have been a Ford dealer since 1967. My father is friends with the man that was our parts and service rep from 67-75. He suggested I call him. So I did. I printed what he told me. As I said "as far as I can find out"
It's often difficult for any of us to remember little details from 40 yrs ago. As some help here are a few pictures of what were all reported to be original cars from all three plants. Where its possible in the picture take notice of the black engine compartment black and the color of the headlight surrounds, grill ... ;)
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/firetrainer/70%20Mustang/70%20Grill/0F02G151657PSHDbucketrepaint_zps70896246.jpg)
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/firetrainer/70%20Mustang/70%20Grill/0F05M126512grill_zpsc28f8f86.jpg)
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/firetrainer/70%20Mustang/70%20Grill/0F05R163169grill_zps1f7f5247.jpg)
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/firetrainer/70%20Mustang/70%20Grill/0F02G151663DSHD_zps6e8254a2.jpg)
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/firetrainer/70%20Mustang/70%20Grill/0T02G138629ds_zps396418eb.jpg)
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/firetrainer/70%20Mustang/70%20Grill/0R05H101979-000r_zps09cfb4ce.jpg)
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/firetrainer/70%20Mustang/70%20Grill/0F03Hxxxxxxengcomp_zps0cdb9150.jpg)
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/firetrainer/70%20Mustang/70%20Grill/0T01L148221hdrim_zps538026ac.jpg)
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/firetrainer/70%20Mustang/70%20Grill/0T02G112749frt_zps10ced3f1.jpg)
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/firetrainer/70%20Mustang/70%20Grill/0T02G157959grill_zps461cb3ad.jpg)
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As far as service parts, I have some NOS headlight surround pieces and a wide lower grille molding still in the sealed Ford bags and they are all the argent color as in Jeffs pictures. I can tell that the shades are slightly different between the pieces, but all the argent color and definitely not black.
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my NOS set of the headlight surrounds are argent. So the grill is painted to match all the argent, guess i just didnt want to paint it. Spray it with a gun or rattle can? is the NPD argent good enough?I have an NOS set of the black plastic fake front brake air ducts vent, they are definitely black and not painted...forever.
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Jeff, Thanks for posting the pictures. Wish you posted them a couple of months ago when I first posted it would have saved me a ton of time and phone calls..LOL What was confusing to me was the guy that had my car told me he painted everything black because he liked the car better that way. When I pulled everything apart you can see that everything was gray before but the headlight surrounds they have the Ford stamping/part number on them and have not been painted? Anyways I called the retired Ford rep a month or so ago, he checked into it and thats what he said when he got back to me. Either way I got my answer... Thanks
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Rayms69, Same thing with the paint, as far as I could find out. Ask 10 people get 5 different answers. A couple of people used the NPD paint and liked it so thats what I went with. When I started to pull off the rockers the back of them is still the gray colour and the painted grill and sorrounds look very close to me...
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Thanks, did u paint over a painted grill. That's what I read anyways, I will get some of that plastic adhesion promoter then the argent.
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Yes my grill and sport light surrounds were already painted, I just scuffed them off ,cleaned them and painted. I used promoter on the headlight surrounds when I painted them.
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cool, i wonder if the NPD paint is the correct ditzler paint code
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jatkinson - There was a brief period of time (a couple of years, 10-15 years ago, can't remember precisely) where the headlamp moldings were still available through Ford, but they came UNPAINTED... Apparantly Ford's supplier either forgot, or neglected, to follow the process sheets and spray the argent. Or the masking fixtures got lost, who knows. But that could explain the lack of any paint under the black.
rayms69 - Our dark argent is not based upon any original mix code or formula, which can be problematic these days due to all the environmental/chemical changes in paint that sometimes causes mixing by "formula" to result in colors that are way-off. Basically, I removed several grille trim pieces from my un-restored and 100% original 4,900-mile 1970 Mach 1, and gave them to our paint supplier to match, which they did an extremely fine job of... And then I re-attached the parts to my car. I've had to go through the motions a couple of times since, because when new EPA standards roll out, the colors can get "off", and we have to re-benchmark. You should be happy with it, our item # AP-GPA.
Rick
NPD
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rayms69 - Our dark argent is not based upon any original mix code or formula, which can be problematic these days due to all the environmental/chemical changes in paint that sometimes causes mixing by "formula" to result in colors that are way-off. ............
+1 an ongoing challenge for us
You could spray out some of the rattle can and have that matched so that you can spray paint from a gun. The formula would then be good until they changed the paint base and tints/toners again
Just an option
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Thanks NPD Rick, I was gonna test it out in comparison to my NOS headlight surrounds prior to use on the grill. Its gonna be a go no go. Rick I could use a discount on an expensive purchase on friday from u guys, buying my headliner, dashpad and other odds and ends, I do advertise y'all often.
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jatkinson - There was a brief period of time (a couple of years, 10-15 years ago, can't remember precisely) where the headlamp moldings were still available through Ford, but they came UNPAINTED... Apparantly Ford's supplier either forgot, or neglected, to follow the process sheets and spray the argent. Or the masking fixtures got lost, who knows. But that could explain the lack of any paint under the black.
Thanks Rick, I'm sure that is the answer. I have dealt with NPD on everything I have done with this car. Great products. Great service.