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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1966 Mustang => Topic started by: drummingrocks on March 05, 2013, 11:34:29 PM
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I'm redoing some details on my '66 fastback, built December 8th, 1965, at Dearborn. I have some questions about the engine paint on the 289. I'm using Bob Mannel's book as a basic reference, but I know lots of details in books like his can vary from what actually happened on the assembly line.
I think I've got most of the basic details correct, but I'm still concerned about the colors that should be on the attaching hardware; in other words, which items were already installed on the motor when it was painted. Please correct me if I've got any of this wrong.
Items to be painted Ford Blue:
--Oil pan, drain plug, and mounting bolts
--Water pump and mounting bolts
--Exhaust manifolds and mounting bolts (moderate overspray only)
--Intake and manifold bolts
--Thermostat housing and bolts
--Small bypass hose and clamps on the water pump
--Valve covers
--Carburetor spacer
--Air cleaner
Items I have questions about:
1. Should valve cover hardware be painted blue or left natural? How about the little rubber-coated J-hooks that install under the driver's side valve cover bolts to route the oil sending unit wires--were they painted with the engine or installed later?
2. Was the dipstick tube bolted to the block when the engine was painted? Should the bolt be painted Ford blue or was it installed later?
3. Should I leave an unpainted ring around the top of the oil dipstick tube, where the paint wouldn't have reached underneath the dipstick itself?
4. Should there be any overspray on the bellhousing? This is a 4-speed car, if it matters.
5. Should the heater hose elbow that screws into the front of the intake be natural or Ford blue? Was it on the intake when the motor was painted?
6. This is a factory air car, and as such, has some spacers on the water pump bolts. Should any of these spacers be Ford blue, or were they natural?
Thanks so much for any help!!
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About the best info you can get. I think all engines left the Cleveland plant already painted? If yours was pre-JAN 1966, there's no chance it came from Windsor like mine did.
http://www.mustangmonthly.com/featuredvehicles/mump_1003_56_mile_1966_mustang_hardtop/
http://www.mustangmonthly.com/featuredvehicles/mump_1005_1966_ford_mustang_fastback/
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1. Should valve cover hardware be painted blue or left natural? How about the little rubber-coated J-hooks that install under the driver's side valve cover bolts to route the oil sending unit wires--were they painted with the engine or installed later?
Typical for the 2 middle bolts to be installed, believe the J-hooks would typically not be installed, but would have to confirm
2. Was the dipstick tube bolted to the block when the engine was painted? Should the bolt be painted Ford blue or was it installed later?
Yes, dipstick tube bolt attached.
3. Should I leave an unpainted ring around the top of the oil dipstick tube, where the paint wouldn't have reached underneath the dipstick itself?
That would be fine
4. Should there be any overspray on the bellhousing? This is a 4-speed car, if it matters.
No, trans was not installed when engine was painted. Spacer plate was in place though.
5. Should the heater hose elbow that screws into the front of the intake be natural or Ford blue? Was it on the intake when the motor was painted?
Typical to see these painted block color in '66, but would not say that's an absolute. Definitely installed prior to painting engine
6. This is a factory air car, and as such, has some spacers on the water pump bolts. Should any of these spacers be Ford blue, or were they natural?
Spacers would be added later, so no block color on them.
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About the best info you can get. I think all engines left the Cleveland plant already painted? If yours was pre-JAN 1966, there's no chance it came from Windsor like mine did.
http://www.mustangmonthly.com/featuredvehicles/mump_1003_56_mile_1966_mustang_hardtop/
http://www.mustangmonthly.com/featuredvehicles/mump_1005_1966_ford_mustang_fastback/
Thanks Bryan, I remember seeing both of these cars in their respective issues of Mustang Monthly, but never even thought about looking back to these for details. Regarding the engine, the car was built on December 8th, 1965, so it's not from Windsor.
Charles, thank you for all the help also!
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Follow-on question: If the dipstick tube was BOLTED in place then that bolt would be painted blue. Was that bolt later removed after painting to bolt the coil in place and therefore the bolt holding the dipstick tube and coil in place should be painted blue?
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Follow-on question: If the dipstick tube was BOLTED in place then that bolt would be painted blue. Was that bolt later removed after painting to bolt the coil in place and therefore the bolt holding the dipstick tube and coil in place should be painted blue?
Good question. Also, was the PCV grommet already installed in the valve covers when they were painted?
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no paint on grommet.
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Just a few last questions. I've got the engine painted now, all I have left to do is the air cleaner and a few small details. Does the clip/bracket that attaches to the water pump and holds the fuel line get painted block color? Also, this is a 4V car. Does the bracket for the throttle return spring get painted block color, or is it left natural?
Also, what color should the heat shields for the motor mounts be? They come in stainless steel. Is this correct? Here's a link to the shields I'm talking about:
http://www.npdlink.com/store/products/heat_shields_motor_mount_stainless_steel_originals_were_carbon_and_rusted_quickly-105608-0.html
And finally, should the motor mounts be black or natural?
And last but not least, should the underside of the air cleaner lid be natural or painted blue? And is the inside of the air cleaner housing itself, where the air cleaner element sits, be blue or natural?
Thanks again for all the help!
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Just a few last questions. I've got the engine painted now, all I have left to do is the air cleaner and a few small details. Does the clip/bracket that attaches to the water pump and holds the fuel line get painted block color?
Painted with block
Also, this is a 4V car. Does the bracket for the throttle return spring get painted block color, or is it left natural?
Not painted with block
Also, what color should the heat shields for the motor mounts be? They come in stainless steel. Is this correct?
Originally steel - painted a similar color as the engine. Painted different time and location so the tint/shade can vary a little
And finally, should the motor mounts be black or natural?
Got to leave one for the other posters ;)
And last but not least, should the underside of the air cleaner lid be natural or painted blue? And is the inside of the air cleaner housing itself, where the air cleaner element sits, be blue or natural?
Bottom exterior of the air cleaner is pained engine color (again shade can vary since it was painted where they were made)
For a 66 I would vote that the interior was blue also
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Just a few last questions. I've got the engine painted now, all I have left to do is the air cleaner and a few small details. Does the clip/bracket that attaches to the water pump and holds the fuel line get painted block color? Also, this is a 4V car. Does the bracket for the throttle return spring get painted block color, or is it left natural?
The base of the fuel line clamp was installed before the engine was painted. Return spring bracket would be installed after carb installed, no paint.
Also, what color should the heat shields for the motor mounts be? They come in stainless steel. Is this correct? Here's a link to the shields
Heat shields were natural steel, stainless steel would be incorrect.
And finally, should the motor mounts be black or natural?
And last but not least, should the underside of the air cleaner lid be natural or painted blue? And is the inside of the air cleaner housing itself, where the air cleaner element sits, be blue or natural?
Motor mounts would be natural with a black insulator.
Inside of air cleaner would be natural with a little blue over-spray.
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Can you please post some pics of the finished product?
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Can you please post some pics of the finished product?
Sure, I still need to paint the air cleaner and decide what to do about a carburetor, but I'll be glad to update this with my progress.
On another note, does anyone know what the changeover date was on the exhaust manifold lock tabs? NPD mentions that the changeover from using tabs to not using them occurred sometime in December '65, which falls right in the middle of when this car was produced. Before, I hadn't installed the lock tabs, but now I'm wondering if I should have?
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Before, as the engine bay was after restoring the car in 2009, engine was painted with Krylon spray can enamel:
(http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/1838/66fb001.th.jpg) (http://img62.imageshack.us/i/66fb001.jpg/)
Engine sanded, cleaned, taped off, and ready to be repainted:
(http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/3415/66fb012.th.jpg) (http://img842.imageshack.us/i/66fb012.jpg/)
Repainted with PPG single stage:
(http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/8449/66fb015.th.jpg) (http://img834.imageshack.us/i/66fb015.jpg/)
(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/3876/66fb017.th.jpg) (http://img59.imageshack.us/i/66fb017.jpg/)
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Just a few last questions. I've got the engine painted now, all I have left to do is the air cleaner and a few small details. Does the clip/bracket that attaches to the water pump and holds the fuel line get painted block color? Also, this is a 4V car. Does the bracket for the throttle return spring get painted block color, or is it left natural?
Also, what color should the heat shields for the motor mounts be? They come in stainless steel. Is this correct? Here's a link to the shields I'm talking about:
http://www.npdlink.com/store/products/heat_shields_motor_mount_stainless_steel_originals_were_carbon_and_rusted_quickly-105608-0.html
And finally, should the motor mounts be black or natural?
And last but not least, should the underside of the air cleaner lid be natural or painted blue? And is the inside of the air cleaner housing itself, where the air cleaner element sits, be blue or natural?
Thanks again for all the help!
I don't seem to have these heat shields. Where do they mount exactly? Does anyone have a picture?
Thanks in advance.
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the shields go under the motor mounts.
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Hello. I am looking for the correct color for a 66 289 2v engine. Car was built March 15 66 Dearborn. I have had a lot of conflicting information and shoulder shrugs, trying to keep the car as correct and original as possible. Have been told black with gold valve covers, and light blue, but not corporate blue. Thanks
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you were told wrong in both cases. corporate blue is correct.
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Hello. I am looking for the correct color for a 66 289 2v engine. Car was built March 15 66 Dearborn. I have had a lot of conflicting information and shoulder shrugs, trying to keep the car as correct and original as possible. Have been told black with gold valve covers, and light blue, but not corporate blue. Thanks
Ford corporate dark blue . Not the light blue.
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First welcome to the site. Hope you find the support and information your looking for to help with your concours related projects.
For this question you would be best served using the search feature. Not perfect but it can often provide a quicker and more complete (sometimes) answer to your questions. For this one there is likely a dozen similar or same threads. Everything from
- the best source of product for refinishing you engine correct
- list of what was installed when the engine was painted (was a lot of them) and what was not. HINT: its FAQ #11 in each section in the individual year section of the site
- Ford ad they published explaining the change
- dozens of unrestored examples with original paint still on the engines and more. You wil lfind these in the Unrestored Picture section of the site
Since our practice is to merge threads on the same subject this one will be merged with one of those longer and earlier threads
Again welcome to the site
A couple of threads but plenty more of what products worked and didn't work for members
Engine Rattle Can - Ford Corporate Blue or Old Ford Blue https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=23318.msg145799#msg145799 (https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=23318.msg145799#msg145799)
289 Paint process - https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=29359.msg178706#msg178706 (https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=29359.msg178706#msg178706)
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Again, thank you so much for the help! I will have questions about wheels soon and hope to post about the completion of our "Lil Bit next month!
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Again, thank you so much for the help! I will have questions about wheels soon and hope to post about the completion of our "Lil Bit next month!
"Next month"!! How long have you been working on it. If you choose there is a section of the site that was set up for members to make a thread about their restorations, as questions on various subjects and get tips and hints from those who have traveled similar roads before you. We warned :) since we have a fairly narrow focus here on this site posting pictures, progress and such will invite comments so anticipate and expect input, corrections and hints on how to improve the project, part or overall project. All of this is meant to help both you and others who will view the thread.
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See attached for the blue paint. This was taken of my 1966 Jan Jose GT Fastback. The car now speaks Australian.
Jim