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General Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: J_Speegle on May 10, 2014, 12:40:52 AM
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Along with other projects I've started on for the site concerning decoding date codes found on different parts that make up our cars. Think I've got a good start and most of the bases covered but since we've gotten a few questions as of late, what might I be missing?
The article will cover the different types of patterns and calendars used as well as how they are applied to the different parts.
Some of the subjects I've already gt on the list is
Dating:
- Glass
- Sheet metal
- Cast iron parts
- Cast aluminum parts
- Engine machining and assembly
- May leave tires as a stand alone article
Nay others you guys can think of ?
Thanks
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Some things are going to have to be broken down by specific supplier.
Holley carburetors and Autolite / Motorcraft carburetors, do not use the same code for dating.
Likewise with Eaton / TRW power steering pump tags.
I think that the wheel manufactures used different dating methods too.
Probably lots more examples like the above?
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The metal tags used on major components, engine, transmission, rear axle, A/C, etc. Although they are documented in the Ford Car Parts, many do not have a set of those books sitting around for reference.
Are there variations between product lines (Mercury, trucks, etc)?
Jim
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The metal tags used on major components, engine, transmission, rear axle, A/C, etc. Although they are documented in the Ford Car Parts, many do not have a set of those books sitting around for reference.
Are there variations between product lines (Mercury, trucks, etc)?
Jim
Don't know how much of a variation if any between product lines. Think it would be more based on the manufacturing plant providing the parts to the assembly plants.
At this point other than decoding the dates on those - the rest will have to be left for another effort ;)
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Some things are going to have to be broken down by specific supplier. ............
With out a doubt some of the date patterns are a result of the supplier rather than a Ford requirement
Updated - Dating:
- Glass
- Sheet metal
- Cast iron parts
- Cast aluminum parts
- Engine machining and assembly
- Harmonic balancers
- Holley carburetors
- Wheels
- Bumpers
- Tags - Engine ID, Rear end, Steering boxes, PS pump
- Power steering rams and control head caps
- Rear leaf springs
- Shocks
- Muffler
- May leave tires as a stand alone article
- Likely will not touch on some of the ones that are not visible after a car is assembled or save these for part #2 ;)
Upholstery, radios, seat springs, heaters ....
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How about rubber thermactor / PCV hoses. If I remember correctly they have odd ball date coding. Not sure about rad hoses cause I don't have any original examples...
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How about rubber thermactor / PCV hoses. If I remember correctly they have odd ball date coding. Not sure about rad hoses cause I don't have any original examples...
Good idea though I might need to make all rubber parts a part #2 or #3. Lets see we've got fan belts, all sorts of hoses ...... :)
Likely have to tap the knowledge of Kevin and Jack since they both reproduce related products
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Distributors
Fuel Pumps
Radiator
Smog Pump
Carter Smog Can
Thermostat HSG Vacuum Valve
Washer Bottle
Valve Covers
Sorry not looking to create any work here, but these were some of the things above your list that I keep records of when pulling apart my cars or searching for the right replacement part.
Thanks, Sean
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Distributors - Those should fit in the same pattern as the casting date style
Fuel Pumps - SInce the Carter dating is a bit different - yes we can include that
Radiator - Going to be a larger section since many years & different suppliers
Smog Pump & Carter Smog Can - Both pretty easy
Thermostat HSG Vacuum Valve - Guess your referring to the PVS ported vacuum switches. Not all are dated but since I've already go the pictures and plenty examples for when I provided them to Scott over on the 428 CJ site this will be easy
Washer Bottle - Are you speaking of the ink date stamp ?
Valve Covers - Sheet metal ones would fall into the sheet metal pattern and the aluminum ones (when dated - not all are) would fall into one of the cast aluminum patterns but yes will be included
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Yes was thinking of the ink stamp date located on the bottles. They appear to be stamped by the factory making them for Ford.
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The metal tags used on major components, engine, transmission, rear axle, A/C, etc. Although they are documented in the Ford Car Parts, many do not have a set of those books sitting around for reference.
Are there variations between product lines (Mercury, trucks, etc)?
Jim
Kevin Marti's "Tagbook" has most of that in it: http://www.martiauto.com/itemselection.cfm?item=Book-Tagbook
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Been working (well when I find time) on this article and could use some pictures. Seems that I'm missing a few and rather than waitign until I run across good examples I thought I would see if anyone has some to offer to the cause
Currently looking for close (but not so close that you can not see what the part is) and clear pictures of the following
- Dated band hose clamps. Can be from radiator or heater hoses
- Stamped steel oil pan with the date stamp
- Debossed fan belt - same style Kevin Marti reproduces
- Thermactor pump date
- Couple nice and clear ( I know good luck) windshield markings .
- Motor Wheel rim and center dates
Of course all have to be originals - not reproductions. I'm at 25 pages so far so we'll see how big it is once done. As mentioned before there will likely be updates as we find more things that were dated and other details. Thanks to all
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Sorta like this wheel from my 65 or this rear window from my 69 ? Where do you want them sent ? Any particular size ? Brian
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Sorta like this wheel from my 65 or this rear window from my 69 ? Where do you want them sent ?
Wheel works - need a windshield/laminated glass example at this time - Thanks
Any particular size ? Brian
Since we're not doing a coffee table picture book ;) what you posted appears to work fine. In focus and enough contrast
Thanks again
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Been working (well when I find time) on this article and could use some pictures. Seems that I'm missing a few and rather than waitign until I run across good examples I thought I would see if anyone has some to offer to the cause
Currently looking for close (but not so close that you can not see what the part is) and clear pictures of the following
- Dated band hose clamps. Can be from radiator or heater hoses
- Stamped steel oil pan with the date stamp
- Debossed fan belt - same style Kevin Marti reproduces
- Thermactor pump date
- Couple nice and clear ( I know good luck) windshield markings .
- Motor Wheel rim and center dates
Of course all have to be originals - not reproductions. I'm at 25 pages so far so we'll see how big it is once done. As mentioned before there will likely be updates as we find more things that were dated and other details. Thanks to all
I can get pictures of original Carlite windshield etchings, and Motor wheel numbers.
Jeff, at this time, are you only looking at 1968-71 smog pumps?
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I can get pictures of original Carlite windshield etchings, and Motor wheel numbers.
Thanks that would be helpful. On the other makers finding one date on the rim and one on the centers
Haven't located a date or stamp on the center of Magnums yet
Jeff, at this time, are you only looking at 1968-71 smog pumps?
Currently (for this article) limiting myself to the classic period 65-73
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Currently (for this article) limiting myself to the classic period 65-73
Can you, or someone else can give me some direction on where to find the dates on the 4 bolt pulley style 1966-67 California smog pumps?
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Can you, or someone else can give me some direction on where to find the dates on the 4 bolt pulley style 1966-67 California smog pumps?
I have 3 samples of these to easily look at. 2 of them are 66's and one is a 67
Later I can upload images I took of the two 66's, the dating I found is on the cast iron back plate. The codes are similar to what we might find on other cast items (look similar to a screwed on tag) but there are not as many characters used. For example, one is "201" (maybe "2D1") and other is "14" or maybe "I4". The casting number seems to be the same, at a glance, but there is another code "D10" on one and "D8" on the other.
It would be better if I could take more time that my lunch hour will not allow, let me know if you want images or more info. I could easily look at the 67 one also, if you wish
Richard
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My 69 car. Leaf Spring Info w/428 shock plate and Manual Steering Box tag. Brian
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Can you, or someone else can give me some direction on where to find the dates on the 4 bolt pulley style 1966-67 California smog pumps?
There is a 66 Smog pump fo sale on ebay with some numbers seen on the aluminum front housing too. 3rd picture in the series of shots
http://www.ebay.com/itm/301029953964?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
This evening, I might try and clean up one or two of mine and see if I can get some close, good pictures. I don't really have high resolution cameras.
Richard
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More CJ stuff. 69 dist., vac. adv. and 70 dist. Brian
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Can you, or someone else can give me some direction on where to find the dates on the 4 bolt pulley style 1966-67 California smog pumps?
Need to dig out a half dozen or so and compare first
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Updated most recent needed list
Currently looking for close (but not so close that you can not see what the part is) and clear pictures of the following
- Dated band hose clamps. Can be from radiator or heater hoses
- Stamped steel oil pan with the date stamp
- Debossed fan belt
- Thermactor pump date
- Couple nice and clear ( I know good luck) windshield markings .
- Motor Wheel rim and center dates
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Pretty impressive project Jeff....
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Wittek band clamp from my heater.
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Jeff if this is any use a larger copy is here, http://www.andrewsmach1.com/myphotos/ccmustang/windscreenlogo/windscreen%20logo.jpg (http://www.andrewsmach1.com/myphotos/ccmustang/windscreenlogo/windscreen%20logo.jpg)
(http://www.andrewsmach1.com/myphotos/ccmustang/windscreenlogo/windscreen%20logoccmustang.jpg)
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Pretty impressive project Jeff....
Just see allot of "how do you decode..." this and that on this site and others so thought that a single article could answer allot of them while combining them all in a single document.
Believe that is where the efforts should be focused for me - those area that will provide the biggest long term reward/reduction of efforts so we can focus on other things.
The other big/bigger project is a how they painted guide. Have privately handed out drafts of my efforts for 15 year and thing its time to refresh, improve and expand to something I will be happier with. But that one will have to be rolled out in layers since there will be more than a couple dozen versions to cover all the plants and years. Also have to wait until I collect data from some of the more difficult periods for certain applications
rockhouse66 + Aussiemach
Thanks for those pictures. Two more down ;)
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This is a set of the most legible I could find in my wrecking yard. Lots more, but this gives a representation of years. I found no difference with the few San Jose built Cougars from the Dearborn built ones. These are all coupe or convertible windshields. All photos taken from inside the cars to see the etchings correctly except for the one noted.
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(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w115/CougarCJ/th_IMG_1004-1028_zps8982dba1.jpg) (http://s174.photobucket.com/user/CougarCJ/media/IMG_1004-1028_zps8982dba1.jpg.html)(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w115/CougarCJ/th_IMG_1005-1028_zps0899fade.jpg) (http://s174.photobucket.com/user/CougarCJ/media/IMG_1005-1028_zps0899fade.jpg.html)(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w115/CougarCJ/th_IMG_1006-1028_zps321edec1.jpg) (http://s174.photobucket.com/user/CougarCJ/media/IMG_1006-1028_zps321edec1.jpg.html)(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w115/CougarCJ/th_IMG_1007-1028_zps2f35100e.jpg) (http://s174.photobucket.com/user/CougarCJ/media/IMG_1007-1028_zps2f35100e.jpg.html)
I guess the next task is to determine the approximate date of the 'Carlite' logo change from 1972-73.
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Wow thanks for the effort Scott.
Should be able to find a few good examples out of these and the others offered up
BTW to all did dig out a dozen or so thermactor pumps out and cleaned the pad off so have enough of those now.
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This one, my car, is not a SUN VISOR windshield. Is dated correctly 8H. Brian
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This one, my car, is not a SUN VISOR windshield. Is dated correctly 8H. Brian
Thanks Brian, I believed that your example existed, but could not find one. - Non Tinted windshield.
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So I may be jumping the gun here but what does the bottom line, for example, FM-M55 mean ? Thanks, Brian
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So I may be jumping the gun here but what does the bottom line, for example, FM-M55 mean ? Thanks, Brian
Not certain but believe its an ID code Possibly Ford Motors - M55 is the application or the identification code for that specific window