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Offline mjd 65

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Re: 66 NJ Buck Tag Retaining Screw Survey
« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2016, 03:58:28 PM »
That's a cool detail that is not seen very often on a restored car...

As far as the screw type, I have seen the panhead and flat top larger screw.  I don't have any info to share on when either were used.

My July 65 Metuchen coupe has a large flat top screw attaching the buck tag, similar to the screws used for the rear valance.
Mel
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Re: 66 NJ Buck Tag Retaining Screw Survey
« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2016, 05:44:42 PM »
I can provide the following related to the mounting hardware used for a  66 NJ built Mustang from my collection. I see a pattern but the sample is limited and since the cars were not assembled in sequential order the grouping should be a bit "fuzzy"

Hope it helps in some way

Pan head Phillips
6T10236x
6T11185x
6T11441x
6T11848x
6T12xxxx
6T134090
6T13772x
6T14212x
6T14378x

Smooth large flat head Phillips
6T14603x
6T150827
6T15534x
6T155639
6T15845x
6T15953x
6T16013x
6T1619xx
6T16125x
6T17172x
6T174634

Smooth large flat head Phillips
6T19415x
6T20186x
6T202378
6T20545x
6T20872x
6T20951x
6T215113
6T22139x
6T22352x
6T232546

Pan head Phillips
6T23421x
6T24357x
6T24594x
6T25110x
6T2601xx

Smooth large flat head Phillips
6T26174x
6T27875x
6T28533x
6T28607x

Updated through post 5/21/16 #38
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Re: 66 NJ Buck Tag Retaining Screw Survey
« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2016, 08:25:01 PM »
Im fairly certain my tag was never removed over the years. I also had bare metal and a fair amount of rust under mine. I believe i put mine back on before spraying the engine bay hoping that was going to be correct..
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2001 3.8 Mustang Convertible
2004 40th Anniversary

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Re: 66 NJ Buck Tag Retaining Screw Survey
« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2016, 08:32:58 PM »
Looks like we might want to split the topic since at least half of the thread is focused on one detail. It would make searching or finding 66 NJ Buck tag info easier for others in the future and leave the thread to cover the other details as asked for in the first post
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Re: 66 NJ Buck Tag Retaining Screw Survey
« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2016, 08:24:15 AM »
Charles,

Should the screw head be rounded or flat?

I can tell you my Jan 20 build screw is flat.
Tom
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66 Metuchen HT Sprint 200 Package B
6T07T194XXX   65A       Y       22     20A     ?        2       6
                    BODY  COLOR  TRIM  DATE  DSO  AXLE  TRANS
C/O    762
4        A20     6T07T194XXX
65A       Y        22

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Re: 66 NJ Buck Tag Retaining Screw Survey
« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2016, 07:51:03 PM »
I can tell you my Jan 20 build screw is flat.
Tom

Added to my list ;)
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Re: 66 NJ Buck Tag Retaining Screw Survey
« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2016, 08:40:23 PM »
One thing I thought of just after my reply (after all of this time it JUST occurred to me), is the question of whether there is any correlation to the usage being tied to the same usage period for the rear valance screws. Both of the same screws were used there also but again, during different production time frames (e.g. if a flat screw was used on the buck tag were those same cars getting flat screws as attaching hardware for the rear valance, and the same for the pan head screws?!).

Jeff,

Do you see any correlation between the buck tag screw and the rear valance screws?  As I noted earlier, my July 65 Metuchen coupe has a large head screw on the buck tag and the same type screws on the rear valance.
Mel
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Re: 66 NJ Buck Tag Retaining Screw Survey
« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2016, 10:22:53 AM »
Added to my list ;)

I'll update my VIN to make it consistent with your list :)
6T19415X
MCA# 78748 Adirondack Shelby Mustang Club
66 Metuchen HT Sprint 200 Package B
6T07T194XXX   65A       Y       22     20A     ?        2       6
                    BODY  COLOR  TRIM  DATE  DSO  AXLE  TRANS
C/O    762
4        A20     6T07T194XXX
65A       Y        22

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Re: 66 NJ Buck Tag Retaining Screw Survey
« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2016, 11:40:20 AM »
Jeff if you want to add another to the list;
Oct 28, '65 - 6T09A14212X  pan head phillips screw
'66 GT Fastback,  Metuchen, 10/28/65, 289-4v w/4spd
'66 Sprint Coupe, Dearborn, 06/11/66, 200ci w/ C4
'91 LX Convertible, Dearborn, 08/91, 5.0 w/AOD
'92 LX Hatchback, Dearborn, 5.0 w/AOD

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Re: 66 NJ Buck Tag Retaining Screw Survey
« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2016, 05:52:02 PM »
Jeff if you want to add another to the list;
Oct 28, '65 - 6T09A14212X  pan head phillips screw

Got it and thanks.

Think I'm splitting the thread. Fine it rewarding that we can pull together data like this and (even based on a small amount of the over all production) discover trends and patterns. Doesn't always work this well

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Re: 66 NJ Buck Tag Retaining Screw Survey
« Reply #25 on: May 10, 2016, 05:56:52 PM »
Jeff,
Do you see any correlation between the buck tag screw and the rear valance screws?  As I noted earlier, my July 65 Metuchen coupe has a large head screw on the buck tag and the same type screws on the rear valance.

For you and JKWilson I have to report that I don't have as much data to draw a conclusion from. People take and provide allot of buck tag pictures - not as many taking rear valance screw.

Looked and the one car I have the buck tag screw was not the same style as the rear valance

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Re: 66 NJ Buck Tag Retaining Screw Survey
« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2016, 08:53:51 PM »
If anyone needs a visual reference, here's a shot of the large head screw from my late 65.



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Re: 66 NJ Buck Tag Retaining Screw Survey
« Reply #27 on: May 10, 2016, 09:21:02 PM »
I can tell you my Jan 20 build screw is flat.
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Re: 66 NJ Buck Tag Retaining Screw Survey
« Reply #28 on: May 11, 2016, 12:05:53 PM »
If anyone needs a visual reference, here's a shot of the large head screw from my late 65.



A picture is worth a thousand words, but what size is it, a #8 or a #10?
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Re: 66 NJ Buck Tag Retaining Screw Survey
« Reply #29 on: May 11, 2016, 09:37:50 PM »
A picture is worth a thousand words, but what size is it, a #8 or a #10?
Jim

I believe it's a #10.
Mel
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