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1967 390 Fan Clutch Questions/Discussion
« on: June 27, 2015, 11:30:41 AM »
Thanks Bob,
- J_Speegle posted the fan clutch part number required for my car. Hopefully this is correct, it took a while to locate this one. If not, would you have a correct part number for it?
- I'll locate a new Alt. fan, would you know how many vanes?
- the P/S dipstick had printing stamped into the metal or printing on the paint. Does the dipstick need to be chrome?

Thanks you for helping me make this the best it can be,
Travis
« Last Edit: July 18, 2015, 05:55:53 PM by J_Speegle »
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1967 Mustang GTA S Code, Fastback, San Jose, Built Dec. 13, 1966 (Thermactor)

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1967 Mustang S Code, Fastback, San Jose, Built Sept. 9, 1966

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Re: Re: 1967 390 engine bracket questions
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2015, 01:34:02 PM »
Thanks Bob,
- J_Speegle posted the fan clutch part number required for my car. Hopefully this is correct, it took a while to locate this one. If not, would you have a correct part number for it?
- I'll locate a new Alt. fan, would you know how many vanes?
- the P/S dipstick had printing stamped into the metal or printing on the paint. Does the dipstick need to be chrome?

Thanks you for helping me make this the best it can be,
Travis
The part number /engineering number may be the same between two different vendors. The specifications (physical appearance ) can be slightly different between the two parts as in the case of your fan clutch. If it was a different plant I wouldn't be so skeptical but I have seen a lot of SJ 67 Shelby's and non Shelby cars. It may be a lesser used mfg for that plant but not typical from my observations.
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Re: Re: 1967 390 engine bracket questions
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2015, 01:39:23 PM »
Thanks Bob,
- J_Speegle posted the fan clutch part number required for my car. Hopefully this is correct, it took a while to locate this one. If not, would you have a correct part number for it?
- I'll locate a new Alt. fan, would you know how many vanes?
- the P/S dipstick had printing stamped into the metal or printing on the paint. Does the dipstick need to be chrome?

Thanks you for helping me make this the best it can be,
Travis
NPD or Mansfield sells the Alt fan. P/S dipstick has printing stamped into the metal of the thumb handle . A black TRW pump and handle are detailed as you have it .You do have the bare metal witness line on the filler neck under the dipstick? It would have that from painting the assembled pump with the dipstick inserted.
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Re: Re: 1967 390 engine bracket questions
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2015, 06:16:27 PM »
Bob,
Thank you for all your help. On the other post I had a couple of questions on the carb.
Do you have a part number on that fan clutch?
Just to make sure I understand you correctly, the Alternator needs 13 fan blades, mine currently has 10 blade.

Thanks again for all your help,
Travis
« Last Edit: June 27, 2015, 06:35:15 PM by travnemi »
Travis Waters

Mine -
1967 Mustang GTA S Code, Fastback, San Jose, Built Dec. 13, 1966 (Thermactor)

Daddy / Daughter Project -
1967 Mustang S Code, Fastback, San Jose, Built Sept. 9, 1966

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Re: Re: 1967 390 engine bracket questions
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2015, 01:52:26 AM »
Bob,
Thank you for all your help. On the other post I had a couple of questions on the carb.
Do you have a part number on that fan clutch?
Just to make sure I understand you correctly, the Alternator needs 13 fan blades, mine currently has 10 blade.

Thanks again for all your help,
Travis
If you want to call on carb details PM me. It is too much to type. The fan clutch front cover is the point I was trying to make. That front cover is typical for many different fan clutches used at SJ regardless of part number . Is the one you have a C7ZE-A? Mansfield as well as others sell the correct alternator fan. http://mansfieldmustang.com/06-10.JPG  Yours is a 70 and later.
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Re: Re: 1967 390 engine bracket questions
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2015, 10:53:56 PM »
Think the style of clutch may be due to a secondary supplier. Have seen the rectangle style "sensor" in the middle before with appropriate dates for a 67. 

Here are a couple of examples from my collection.

Markings recorded from this part is as follows
C6ME -A fan L66 
Clutch C7AE-11-18-66









And a C7AE-A  fan clutch example - think this is the same one I posted pictures of last year when we first visited this subject







Just based on observation it appears that Ford didn't use this company or the design changed since they are not as easy to find as the others. Think the circular spring style might be easier to rebuild also
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Re: Re: 1967 390 engine bracket questions
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2015, 10:09:20 PM »
Do I have the correct Alternator pulley on the Alt. I have a two belt pulley on it. As a reminder, I have a 1967 GTA S Code non A/C Dec build assembled in San Jose.

Thanks,
Travis
Travis Waters

Mine -
1967 Mustang GTA S Code, Fastback, San Jose, Built Dec. 13, 1966 (Thermactor)

Daddy / Daughter Project -
1967 Mustang S Code, Fastback, San Jose, Built Sept. 9, 1966

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Re: Re: 1967 390 engine bracket questions
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2015, 11:19:20 PM »
Do I have the correct Alternator pulley on the Alt. I have a two belt pulley on it. As a reminder, I have a 1967 GTA S Code non A/C Dec build assembled in San Jose.

PS and Therm :)

Looks like

1- Two belts around the crank, water pump and alternator
2- One belt around the water pump and Thermactor pump
3- One belt around crank and P/S pump

http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=5294.0
« Last Edit: July 06, 2015, 12:07:33 AM by J_Speegle »
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Re: Re: 1967 390 engine bracket questions
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2015, 11:54:21 PM »
Jeff,
  I have located the PS and alternator belts, I cant seem to locate a part number or a place that sells a smog pump belt. would you have any suggestions?

Thanks,
Travis
Travis Waters

Mine -
1967 Mustang GTA S Code, Fastback, San Jose, Built Dec. 13, 1966 (Thermactor)

Daddy / Daughter Project -
1967 Mustang S Code, Fastback, San Jose, Built Sept. 9, 1966

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Re: Re: 1967 390 engine bracket questions
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2015, 12:30:11 AM »
Jeff,
  I have located the PS and alternator belts, I cant seem to locate a part number or a place that sells a smog pump belt. would you have any suggestions?

Looks like it's going to take some hunting but as a help/start it appears that C5TE-8620-L is what your looking for 36 1/4" x 1/2"
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Re: Re: 1967 390 engine bracket questions
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2015, 01:19:17 AM »
Thanks Jeff!!!
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1967 Mustang GTA S Code, Fastback, San Jose, Built Dec. 13, 1966 (Thermactor)

Daddy / Daughter Project -
1967 Mustang S Code, Fastback, San Jose, Built Sept. 9, 1966

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Re: Re: 1967 390 engine bracket questions
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2015, 09:24:32 PM »
I forgot to ask earlier, is the distributor hold down clamp painted engine blue or is it natural? I tried looking it up but didn't have any success.

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Mine -
1967 Mustang GTA S Code, Fastback, San Jose, Built Dec. 13, 1966 (Thermactor)

Daddy / Daughter Project -
1967 Mustang S Code, Fastback, San Jose, Built Sept. 9, 1966

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Re: Re: 1967 390 engine bracket questions
« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2015, 10:24:19 PM »
I forgot to ask earlier, is the distributor hold down clamp painted engine blue or is it natural?

Unpainted oiled steel
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Re: Re: 1967 390 engine bracket questions
« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2015, 12:36:29 AM »
I believe I found a new old Fan Clutch it has a Ford Part # C4SZ-8A616-B which is model numbers C7AE-A and C7AE-C. The only question I have is that there's no model number stamped on rim of the mounting bracket. Can anyone tell me if this is correct one? Also, the only location that the part number was on the box it came in.

Thanks,
« Last Edit: July 14, 2015, 12:43:31 AM by travnemi »
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Mine -
1967 Mustang GTA S Code, Fastback, San Jose, Built Dec. 13, 1966 (Thermactor)

Daddy / Daughter Project -
1967 Mustang S Code, Fastback, San Jose, Built Sept. 9, 1966

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Re: Re: 1967 390 engine bracket questions
« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2015, 12:57:22 AM »
I believe I found a new old Fan Clutch it has a Ford Part # C4SZ-8A616-B which is model numbers C7AE-A and C7AE-C. The only question I have is that there's no model number stamped on rim of the mounting bracket. Can anyone tell me if this is correct one? Also, the only location that the part number was on the box it came in.

Thanks,
First off it is a service replacement built after 1968 based on the design of the front cover . Not too bad a thing since it hard to see once installed. Turn it sideways and take a picture . A short shaft is typical of assemblyline for a 390 , one with the longer shaft is designed as a service compromise to be used on both BB and SB applications
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