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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1966 Mustang => Topic started by: Josep on May 20, 2016, 10:23:47 AM
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Hello,
I have received my set of "concours correct" battery cables for my car, and have already replaced the positive part. When looking to the new negative or ground cable, and seeing where it's actually attached the old one I have on now, I can see it's a little shorter, so the new cable doesn't arrives..! See attached pic with my finger pointing the connection screw behind alternator.
Josep
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Here is a picture of a San Jose 6 cylinder with automatic at the ground attachment point. The ground cable (purple arrow) from battery is sandwiched between the transmission line retainer/clip (green arrow) and the block. The block has a stud screwed into the block attachment point and a start washer and nut is used to hold the wire and retainer to the block.
Ignore the aftermarket alternator
If your coming up short you might want to look how the cable is routed up at the battery area
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/5/6-200516171112.jpeg)
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As a discussion point, would the stud first be used to retain the transmission cooling line bracket, then the alternator and battery grounds? (Order of parts from engine block: block, bracket, lockwasher, stud, alternator ground, battery ground, lockwasher, jam nut.)
Jim
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Here is a picture of a San Jose 6 cylinder with automatic at the ground attachment point. The ground cable (purple arrow) from battery is sandwiched between the transmission line retainer/clip (green arrow) and the block. The block has a stud screwed into the block attachment point and a start washer and nut is used to hold the wire and retainer to the block.
Ignore the aftermarket alternator
If your coming up short you might want to look how the cable is routed up at the battery area
Jeff, I see that the connection point is the same in both pics, there's nothing to do with the alternator. The thing is that the cables sold as "concours correct", the ground one in particular, is shorter than needed.! Another thing I just think about it is that the original battery is not as high in size than the aftermarket I have.
Josep
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...Another thing I just think about it is that the original battery is not as high in size than the aftermarket I have.
Josep
Yes, this can be an issue. Where the posts (connections) on the battery are can be an issue as well. The cables you purchased could also be incorrect (NPD catalog calls for 14300-10B for a 66 200 engine, did you buy 14300-10?).
You might double check your part's application and be sure you have a correct battery type. Either one of these OR BOTH could be your trouble.
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Well Richard, since I think I have ordered the right cables, the problem could be the battery size, don't find any other asnwer.
Josep
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Well Richard, since I think I have ordered the right cables, the problem could be the battery size, don't find any other asnwer.
Josep
It's fine if the 65 Cables are what you wanted, I was under the belief you were working on a 66. I cannot tell you the difference in the cabels (65 to 66) but if length is different it might add to you trouble is all. I happened to notice your invoice in the other thread and looked up the application.
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Well, that's what they say it's correct for my car (!)
No other choice to select for a 200.!
Josep
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Better this one. Note they say that fits a 200.!
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NPD lists an early and a late 65 battery cable set, and a 1966 set---all for 200 cids.
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................I cannot tell you the difference in the cabels (65 to 66) but if length is different it might add to you trouble is all.............................
Same length ;)
Better this one. Note they say that fits a 200.!
Same part and part number
Shops try and do their best when it comes to labeling parts in their catalogs other times that just repeat what the provider says it fits or copies what another seller has on their site or catalog
Always double check
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NPD lists an early and a late 65 battery cable set, and a 1966 set---all for 200 cids.
What I only find there is:
14300-10B 1966 200
14300-11B 1966 289
14300-20A 1965-1966 260-289
That's what I can find when searching for battery cables for 1966 Mustang
Josep
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14300-10A, 65 Early 6 cylinder
14300-10, 65 Late 6 cylinder
14300-10B, 66 6 cylinder
14300-20B, heavy duty, 65-66, 260, 289 8 cylinder
All from NPD catalog, pg. 200.
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Doesn't Marti normally supply these to NPD? Could just go directly to the source:
www.martiauto.com/
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14300-10A, 65 Early 6 cylinder
14300-10, 65 Late 6 cylinder
14300-10B, 66 6 cylinder
14300-20B, heavy duty, 65-66, 260, 289 8 cylinder
All from NPD catalog, pg. 200.
I ordered online, and there I only found what I explained before, 3 choices.
The only one I could choose is option 1, but not sure I received the same one.!
Yes, thought I comes from there, but I did a larger order from NPD.
Will contact them and see what we can do. Part number is correct for my car, but GND cable states shorter.
Also, what I have noticed is that the new concurs cables have different numbers, 14301, 14331-A....
Josep
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As a discussion point, would the stud first be used to retain the transmission cooling line bracket, then the alternator and battery grounds? (Order of parts from engine block: block, bracket, lockwasher, stud, alternator ground, battery ground, lockwasher, jam nut.)
Jim
Jim back those this part of discussion. Know (or at least believe) we discuss the order of hardware with the V8 applications but I don't know if the same applies to 6 cylinders for sure. Believe one of the issues with the V8s was the discussion and possible TSB article related to if the start washer went on first to assure a "solid" ground.
Unfortunately all I could find in my stuff was that one picture and I would assume that the cable had been changed at some point.
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I was thinking along the line of the engine and transmission being attached prior to installation and that would include the cooling lines. It appears that according to the 64-65 Mustang Chassis Assembly Manual (AM005, pgs 20 and 21) for at least the V-8 application, the transmission cooling lines go in after the battery ground (as shown in view W) as being next to the block with the cooling line bracket on top.
That makes the assembly sequence: block, lock washer(TSB?), battery ground, alternator ground, cooling line bracket, (lock washer?) bolt. Later V-8 cars get a stud with a center hex drive: block, lock washer, battery ground, alternator ground, stud, cooling line bracket, lock washer, jam nut. I've pulled several studs from V-8 cars but I was thinking service requirements, ease of battery ground cable replacement being on the outside of the hex of the stud. Back to the garage.
Jim